PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[JouleSeeker]

Looks great Prof. Jones.

Here are the 2 video Sterling D. Allan took of it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne7tj5VT_lw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_fGKtmp8Cc


Now we need some replications and some good measurements
and a scale up, so we can extract usable power from it.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

  Thanks, Stefan -- I totally agree  with the need for "replications and some good measurements
and a scale up".   I hope that came across in the vids, but those were unrehearsed and rather impromptu, and I may have not made clear enough the need for replications and further checking.  '

I totally agree that those are needed!    (Gotta run for a while now with family; will return later.)

[mscoffman]

I agree with people who indicate that instrumentation - once
you've think you've seen evidence of overunity energy - should
be completely removed from the experiment.

It' is extremely easy to substitute RC time constants to integrate
the amount of DC energy from rectified current that will rid
power calculation of any HF signal edge effects and cable
reflections. Use diodes that operate with relatively high efficiency.

For example rather than running the oscillator directly from a battery,
run it on a capacitor that get charged from the battery via an NE555
switch that will cause the circuit oscillations to run for a fixed time then
be reset to fixed voltage - and imply energy from load on the RC time
constant.

Then look at output energy collected on the capacitors as a function
of the RC time constant. Look at comparative Hi vs Lo voltage.

The R and C can be then measured with precision statically.

I think some of the things that happen with Steorn, show that
you can't really trust power measurements of HF pulses especially
when your instrumentation becomes part of circuit operation. You
may be pitting the quality of the signal processing against the
MPS2222 transistors ability to detect the scopes input impedance.

Don't pull the old sophomoric BS about how expensive instruments must
give correct results no matter how they are used. Be ready to cross
check each result, then accept what your results indicate.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[hartiberlin]

Here is a replication video from User itsusable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV4xMeZ_41Y

Seems it is not so easy to measure the output power in his case.

Regards, Stefan.

[hyiq]

Only one way to show this is OU, is to self-power then power a load if possible. Measuring this type of wave form is always going to be a problem even with the most sophisticated equipment.

If it self Powers itself its OU. Its easy to get ones hopes up and then be let down by a silly measurement error. I have done it before. All the Best Professor and keep up the good work.

On some models of the Tektronix, it does state in the manual that only Sinusoidal Wave form Measurements are measured with accuracy. Does this scope state that these Spiky Wave Forms are measured correctly? Being that this circuit is simple, I will build it and try the Self Powering test.

All the Best

  Chris

[wopwops]

Only one way to show this is OU, is to self-power then power a load if possible.

It's worth repeating!