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PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

Started by JouleSeeker, May 19, 2011, 11:21:55 PM

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tinu

Quote from: frankly on July 05, 2011, 04:19:22 AM
The field surrounding an electrified form, which is magnetic in nature, and yes, swirling, is not what causes the field to form. The electric energy is the force creating it, yes. But what is it that the electric energy acts upon, to form the magnetic flux lines? Electrons???? How can a thing act upon itself to form another energy signature? That would be like wind glowing. The electron is the charge carrier apparently, acting upon....what....to form the magnetic field which is in proportion to the amperage content.....meaning the two are linked, magnetism and amperage. .......Now, there is a big hint!!

Magnetic field is a relativistic effect due to the limit of the speed of interaction (c).
An electron is always acting upon another electron(s) and if one is to compute the resultant E field in a relativistic manner (taking into account the propagation time, i.e. retardation), there is no need to introduce a secondary “magnetic field”. Therefore, magnetic field is an illusion, a convenience for our simplicity and also a happening that Chinese compass was ahead the time of Maxwell’s who in return was before Einstein…
What is wrong with that?

An electron is also acting upon space-time itself but that is a different subject if I understand you well.

So please, be more explicit.

lasersaber

I decided to jump in and give this circuit a try.  I ended up modifying it.  I am excited by what I have seen so far.  I plan on trying a few more thing to improve the efficiency even more.

Thank you PhysicsProf for sharing.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS2W_48_QKQ


JouleSeeker

Quote from: lasersaber on July 05, 2011, 11:47:52 AM
I decided to jump in and give this circuit a try.  I ended up modifying it.  I am excited by what I have seen so far.  I plan on trying a few more thing to improve the efficiency even more.

Thank you PhysicsProf for sharing.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS2W_48_QKQ

Now this is exciting to me, to have one of my heroes jump in-- Lasersaber!  I followed your work on the JouleRinger some months ago...

  So glad you're experimenting with the circuit and making modifications and tests, as have Nul-pts and Chris and others.

I curious about the "sweet spots" you found and demonstrated, and also your ability to run the circuit down to 0.1 microamps (and even lower, per the DMM) -- remarkable! 
The ability of an external permanent magnet affecting the behavior of the circuit is also dramatic.
While the discussion regarding theory is intriguing, and I hope to learn more, to me "the proof is in the pudding" -- real experiments such as Lasersaber is doing.

Thanks again, Lasersaber.


frankly

Quote from: poynt99 on July 05, 2011, 08:09:49 AM
Unless you're going to bring the aether into the picture, the only "thing" pre-existing when you apply the electric field is the electric field. Therefore, the charge carrier acts in relation to or upon the applied electric field.

It seems there are some things that don't make sense here. No offence, but there are holes in your logic. How can the electric field be "pre-existing", before electric energy is applied? Are you saying a circuit is preenergised? Also, the charge carriers, which bring with them the energy to form the B field, act upon themselves????? This sounds a little preposterous I think.

If I drop a stone in a pond.....the ripples extend outward, yet the ripples are not the stone, nor does the stone bounce continually upon the water, causing standing waves to form of higher amplitude than the original wave from the first contact when the returning ripples from the edge of the pond meet and combine.

Also, if one looks at a magnet with a peice of magnetic viewing film, one will see a Bloch wall between the North and South pole, at the hemisphere, and another at the poles. THIS is the magnetic field. The iron filings show the flux path.....the energisation path, not the magnetic path, kind of like the pond again.....Floating leaves show us the top of the water, and whether it is still or moving, but not the depth of the waters.

JouleSeeker

  Consider the B (magnetic) field outside a solenoid -- 1st loosely wound, which has significant measurable B outside, then very tightly wound and long = an ideal solenoid -- which has very nearly ZERO B field outside.  See attached.

  Now, let us focus on the ideal solenoid and rapidly ramp up the current in its wire, and also put a loop of wire around this solenoid, shaped like an Omega symbol.  Place a small resistor across the ends of the wire loop.

  Will the wire-loop experience a voltage and current in it, due to the nearby changing magnetic field -- even though the measured B field outside the solenoid is ZERO?

Experimentally, the answer is yes.  This phenomenon is rarely discussed in Physics classes (from my experience).  There must be some change in the "vacuum" around the toroid in order for there to be an induced current in the loop.  This to me is one of the marvels of nature.