PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[jbignes5]

 Yes me and IBpointless started investigating the captret after he thought he came up with the idea. what it entails is hooking up a electrolytic capacitor in an unusual way. We started using the case as an electrode for the battery. then used the regular tabs as connections to an led. The connections were negative to the case and the positive from the battery went to the positive of the cap. from what I can tell all caps have a leakage factor. This lekage went back to the battery through induction. Because there was no direct connection this leakage was very finite but it was still a flow. The Led turns on and short circuits the cap and fires through the induction path, which is the negative. Same amount of charge but at a faster rate.

One can think of it like this. when you are at a pond who's skin is very regular. Throw a stone very lightly and it hits with a certain result. Now throw it harder and you see that results with more effect. In this case we have a capacitor that has a decent amount of push once it it filled. When the diode turns on it shorts for a blink then dims out. Now take all that energy and do it many many times in less time intervals. Remember an led is just a diode, we have a cap filled with just a hint of charge from the source. In this case the sources was a depleted 12v gel cell that when measured only had 9 or so volts. So any shorting in this case wouldn't cause to big of a bang.

One thing I can say about my experiments with the captret was that it left me scratching my head. I believe we established a polarization that allowed a gentle breeze sorta thing to set in. This breeze was scant. When the cap filled it dumped instantly from the cap through the led and into the battery. The thing is the batteries stopped lower in voltage. In fact the whole thing started gaining voltage up to a certain point. What that point was I did not analyse. I would assume from my current work with "crystalline batteries" that there is some sort of matter charge thing involved. Like the mass in the battery and the differences between the plates. Once the right type of crystal growth is established the battery becomes like a very sensitive diode that is only adding positive energy. I think this has the same effects we see with the captret. Seeing that the electrolytic capacitors are much like the battery in design they showed the same growth or polarization effects. But the chemistry is not right in the electrolytic cap. If one wanted the permanent locking in of this crystalline diode one needed to have a locking agent or crystalline material in sufficient quantities in the chemistry. Thats why I moved to the crystal batteries.

The one thing that is negative about the captret is when it induces the negative side it deforms the can and can explode. Another reason to be extra careful.  Although I have never had one explode they have pushed the bottoms out pretty far making them rounded. The cans were not designed to take that kind of stress on the ends. in most cases they have X marks on them to allow them to release pressure if a direct short ever happens. IT happens because of the frequency of the shorts in the led. This is mostly determined from the color of the emitted light. You could think of it as an oscillator based on the frequency of the emitted light from the led.

So my conclusions on the captret is not complete. I opted out of the3 captret to explore the crystal batteries because they react to invisible light and other frequencies that coincide with these crystals, which is present all the time or more so then visible light.

I hope this helps some. The thread for the captret is on this forum if you want to check it out. Also most of my work was done on Energetic Forum but my acess was taken from me because of personal differences with the owner. Mostly about saying the forum is open to the public yet we can be booted for taking issue to the powers that be who seems to be only using the forum for his personal sales board or gain.

I am an open source empirical scientist. I have taught myself most of what I know after getting a formal education in electronics and subsequent Computer Technician career. Most of which I have had to give up because my body seems to be failing me. I have had scoliosis my entire life and now it has become chronic. Along with a bunch of shaking and uncontrollable twitches it is becoming harder to even do my new chosen field.

[NickZ]

   Guys:
   I also played with the captret idea for quite a while.  My results were mixed, but the whole point of the captret was to make a device that would work without discharging the batteries. Well that just did not happen.  It DOES discharge the batteries, or we would still be using it.
I also burnt out every led (many) that I had in getting the system working. As well as bulging all the capacitor cans.   I used 18 to 27 volts from the two or three 9 volt batteries. If just one 9 volt battery is use you barely get any light from the led.
  So, I don't advice anyone trying it, unless you are looking to waist some time.  Below are a couple of  pics of some of my many captrets.
   I have now used most of the bulging capacitors to make output cells that do produce about 1.2 volts and up to 50 ma, and can be used with the Hartley type oscillators, as in the last picture. Just one cell by itself can light a red led even with no oscillator.
   
   For those that are not following Dr. Stifflers work latest work, lighting a leds with no battery, I would point you in that direction.

  jbignes5:  I understand what happened to you at Energetic Forum as I have talked to more than one person that has has a similar experience.  It is a real shame, as there are some very bright people that were put on read only status, because of that. 

[viny]

Hi All: Just to make me sure you already knew of the next vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJBpNKSsdqw), they claim a successful replication of one Don Smith device  (150W output  around 5 W input), made by an International  group of  people (Stivep, T1000, and someone else), posted in this thread Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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[jbignes5]

 See nick the thing with the captret was where we are now with the batteries. We investigated it and looked for the simularities. It was a stepping stone to our understanding of the process. Even in the captret the internal components are very similar to what we have in our current study of the crystal batteries. Although in my results my batteries stopped going down in voltage and held steady at the voltage they stopped at. All the while giving light through an led. The problem from then on was that the captret could not lock in the polarization we needed. These batteries can do that!

Will they be anything but a potential supply is how ingenious we become with the process. If we treat it like a fluid (energy,charge) and compress it, it will squirt out with more force. But we need a better understanding of the process then we currently know now. One thing is clear. There are pockets of no movement in this charge. It is a fluid like substance and the attraction is greater the higher you go in potential. We should be able to apply tube technology to this process. Meaning the static potential alone can become a steering mechanism. with that steering mechanism we need to design a generation section to harness that flow. Maybe like a laser beam hitting crystal tips surrounded in a metal pickup ring much farther away relatively speaking. this ring could be closed ended and encrusted with crystals to increase the generation capability but you need to remember it will be massed based. More mass of the electrode the higher the potential it will attain and the higher the resistance to flow backwards.

Remember I said that the gentle breeze we are playing with here is very light. It's resistance to back flow is very little. Since we are enveloping the center electrode with a metal mass it is creating a static bubble. The crystal lattice that forms twords the center is an amplifier of the outer potential in twords the inner electrode. With the depletion zone in the crystals having a two way conduit this means we have a diode in the truest sense. It's a different kind of diode. A static diode or battery with amplifying effect of the static potential. The oscillator in our case is the led (external) and the capacitance of the battery (internal) guided but the light emitted from the diode.

I am starting to think that the depletion zone needs to be connected to the outside world. It is the entrance of the outside potential to the whole device. I am thinking we need another layer of metal on this to work properly. So there would be an outside cup(external shield), a middle ring (depletion zone conductor or in) and a center electrode to collect the amplified potential (or out). You could think of the outside conductor as being the negative with the center most conductor being the positive. The energy or charges enter the device via the depletion zone and separate via the diode like formations in the cell. With the outside having the static potential of the environment and the internal conductor having a multiple value of the external. Lets say 1000 to 1. So if the ambient voltage level is say 1 micro volt then the internal value will be very near 1k micro volt. This is simply a Tesla switch in solid form. It uses the same potential of positive and compares one voltage to the other via wires to use for a load. The main problem now is how to increase this event and make it stronger. Maybe metal screening in the depletion layer would do that. It could be what the dopants are doing but there isn't enough of the dopants to make this a strong result.

Sorry to have high jacked your thread JouleSeeker but the idea just came to me lol.

Yeah I'm afraid Nick that Energetic forum is nothing but a targeted sales tool. Buck the system of that and you get removed. No problem.

[JouleSeeker]

  I've been out for several days -- sorry.  Got over my illness.. whatever caused it.  Feeling better.

I also have some new results from tests of my build... nothing spectacular, but interesting. 
But first -- I have a question that's been on my mind. 

Why are we so anxious to go ahead with inventing in an open way, if there is little hope of a novel device getting out to the public? 

Could an "anomalous EM device" possibly get out to the public quickly?

Let's assume that someone comes up with a self-runner.

Two choices come to mind:

1.  Get rich by selling to Big Oyl or Big Power, etc.  And they will likely sit on it as they rake in Big  profits on oil and gas.   Or - would they try to get the new technology out to the public as fast as possible?  I doubt it... too much invested in oil and gas (wars being fought, etc)

2.  He declines to sell this to Big Oyl or GE etc, resolving to get his device out to the public quickly instead.  Distributed manufacturing, simultaneous announcements in various countries where replications have been done quietly until the day of disclosure.  Then -- it hits the media and the truth about the device spreads like wildfire.

Let's assume that Big Oyl does not like this, because with the announcement, the price of oil suddenly drops dramatically.  Let's posit that Big Guv-mint does not like the shake-up either and seeks to preserve Big Corp profits -- and a semblance of the status quo (economies and workers dependent on oil and gas...)

Predict --
Gov-mint will clamp down on sales of the device, saying it is untested/unsafe -- and has not met regulations in being UL approved.


SO -- what happens to the wonderful self-runner, the "anomalous EM device" seeking to be born, to help mankind?  Is it welcomed with open arms?  hardly.  More likely with a smashing fist, I'm afraid.

Is there any way around this?  ANY way to get the new EM device out to the public WITHOUT selling out to a Big Corp OR being stomped by Big Gov't?