PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[JouleSeeker]

Dr. Jones,

First of all I want to commend you for your courage in relation to your work on 9/11 and thermite.  Second, I think you also have courage, being a "main-stream" scientist with impressive credentials, and yet, you have an open mind about the possibility of alternative energy sources.  Would that more scientists like you would be willing to stick their necks out in exploring new avenues.

Thank you indeed, prm.  Yes, I have published in Scientific American, Phys Rev Letters, Nature, etc.
My interest now is in helping the emergence of what I consider a nascent science -- novel electrodynamic energy, one might call it.  Expect a battle, folks.  (Been there, I know somewhat what to expect.)

The present condition of main-stream science with its peer-review system and entrenched dogmatism is anti-science in my opinion.  It stifles advancement. The main-stream stance implies they know everything there is to know about the laws of nature and they don't need to investigate any new idea.  A quick reading of science history shows how absurd this position is.

Good points.  There are some opportunities even in the peer-review system for publication that I might be able to help with.  But yes -- the more "mainstream" guys (and probably BigOyl/Gov't - BO) can be expected to fight this emergence, as a free-energy source.  As long as they control, they would allow it to be discussed probably...  we can discuss how to get it out to humanity without having it stomped (or bought out) by bo. 

Concerning your circuit.  The measurement methodology is the nagging issue here, as you are well aware of.  Debate over this can go on forever.  In my opinion the best way to "prove" a new technology is to take the prototype out of the chalk-board realm and into the real world.  If there is energy gain going on, then as suggested by others, you should be able to feedback a small portion of the output back into the input to make the circuit action self-sustaining.  This is where the rubber meets the road.  After all, the circuit would have to do this if it were to be of any innovative and commerical value

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Yes, self-sustaining is the goal.  Somehow the output leg needs rectification in this case.
I should emphasize that Sterling Allan originally called my little device a "Demonstration of OU" -- I objected, and had him change this to "Evidence for".   It is not certain yet.

As to the energy source, if you believe the zpe is real, then its an issue of tapping that energy through electro-magnetic means.  Who knows, there might be a way.

"Do the Physics", we call it -- to find out what makes the device tick.  But first, it has to be ticking!
 

Incidently, you may remember me or not.  I was the individual who contacted you a few years ago about an experiment I was doing with inertia and the zpe.  Since then, I have done an experiment, using a high-speed video camera, that shows the speed of the center of mass of the system increases.  By Euler's First Law and the conservation of momentum, this can only happen if an external force acts on a system.  The external force was inertia.

I plan to post the results of this experiment in the future on this website. Since this thread is not about this experiment I will only say if you are interested, you can send me a private message.

As far as your circuit, I hope it turns out that you are tapping some energy source that has previously been ignored.

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Ah -- I'm very interested in your experiment, prm.   Pls do post your work here. 

[prm]

Ah -- I'm very interested in your experiment, prm.   Pls do post your work here.

Dr. Jones,

Thank you for responding to my last post.  Since this is your "thread" on your circuit, I will only mention that I am in the process of doing a second, slightly different experiment to confirm the results of my first.  I am taking meticulous care in this since the results of my experiment have extra-ordinary implications.

About a month ago I sent a copy of the video to a MIT professor.  I will not mention his name in case he doesn't want to be "associated" with this.  What he said, after viewing the video surprised me.  First, he admitted he could not explain why the speed of the center of mass of the system increased.  And second, he encouraged me by saying, "by all means continue your research."

I believe if I were making a fundamental error in my reasoning and analysis, he would have pointed it out.

As soon as the results of my second experiment come out, I plan to post my own thread about this experiment on this website.

'There must be no barriers for freedom of inquiry. There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.'

J. Robert Oppenheimer

[xee2]

Suggested efficiency test circuit. If AC output is suspected, reverse diode D1 and add output power with diode reversed to power not reversed to get total output power.

[Hoppy]

There are some basics that allow us to compare circuits, Hoppy.  I noted that I ran with a capacitor bank for the input energy, and found a power draw of about 0.23 mW, with the LED dimly lit.
Could you do the same with your replication, since we have these test data?  Very easy to do, just requires a good cap (non-leaky as possible) and a stop watch.  I took data over 30 seconds, as detailed above.

Dr Jones,

I have had some success since my last post as I've realised that I had an incorrect Rb resistor (2K) in circuit. I picked this up somewhere at the beginning of the thread as a change but can't find reference to it now. Anyway, with 56K I get a sinusoidal waveform scoped emitter to ground and the in / out power levels measured across 1R shunt resistors (without the additional 3R) appear to be fairly closely matched on my scope at around 4mW. However, there is quite a lot of noise making it difficult to get a relable reading. The LED is very dim but easy to see in a darkened room. I've left the circuit running overnight to monitor battery voltage level - running on a 1.5V AA.

Hoppy

[JouleSeeker]

Dr Jones,

I have had some success since my last post as I've realised that I had an incorrect Rb resistor (2K) in circuit. I picked this up somewhere at the beginning of the thread as a change but can't find reference to it now. Anyway, with 56K I get a sinusoidal waveform scoped emitter to ground and the in / out power levels measured across 1R shunt resistors (without the additional 3R) appear to be fairly closely matched on my scope at around 4mW. However, there is quite a lot of noise making it difficult to get a relable reading. The LED is very dim but easy to see in a darkened room. I've left the circuit running overnight to monitor battery voltage level - running on a 1.5V AA.

Hoppy

Good progress, Hoppy!  makes one Happy when a guy keeps going.  How do you get "4mW" on the output, exactly?  That is, does your scope do MATH, V*I, and you take the MEAN with the scope?  or what?   

You write,

"power levels measured across 1R shunt resistors"

-- that's what I use to get current... but how do you get the voltage V(t) to go with the current, to get power?
PS -- what kind of scope are you using?