PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[mscoffman]

@All

Here’s the thing , expensive instrumentation doesn’t have perfect input
impedance - it has perfect compromise input impedances, so that
specifically designed probes do not ring. The power bandwidth transfer
function of the scope input and probes are stuck in an out the way place
by the manufacture. But a correctly designed amplifier circuit can still
detect the instruments transfer impedance and change the it’s signal to
fool the instrument into giving incorrect readings. Like running your
electric meter backwards by changing the character of the signal to it.

The way the electronics technician looks at it is, if attaching the
instrument changes the circuits behavior in any way, the
instrument is useless  because the circuit may be changing it’s
behavior and causing incorrect readings â€" he says that; “The
circuit is behaving in an unstable way, it has insufficient operating
margins.” This effect is enhanced if two input probes are going into
the same instrument. Because sensing one is enough to create a
signal that can fool the other.

So you can’t really design a circuit by evolving it. Very simply circuits
need e-cap simulation so you call be sure what they are actually doing.
Ie their behavior is not targeting the instrumentation rather then behaving
in a way that there were designed. Designing a circuit with adequate
margins so they are stable under application of standard instrument
input loads is generally doable, as are special techniques of using isolated
instrumentation amplifiers. Large scale systems often have sufficient
internal gain already as a margin. It’s the very simple circuits that need
help.

The best way to solve this is to design a circuit that will have the
behavior that you want to see. In this case producing overunity
energy then guaranteeing that it’s behavior does not change when
you attach instrumentation. I suggested using RC time constants
out of precision identical components. But don’t worry, you will find it
extremely difficult to design a circuit that actually produces overunity
energy. But at least you won’t be fooling yourself with instrumentation
error.


:S:MarkSCoffman

[Hoppy]

Glad people are doing replications and tests. 
I just wrote an email to someone beginning a replication that may be of use to others as well:
Steven

The 'Spikes of power' I see in this replication are of very short time duration and are significant in their voltage level, rather than true power / energy level. Measuring the mean voltage level across a load resistor fed from a rectified and smoothed output is all we need to make a reasonable comparison of output power / energy v input power / energy measured across a suitable shunt resistor at the supply side. Failing to get close to unity using a simple and effective test setup as shown by Chris does not IMO warrant more time and effort using more sophisticated measuring techniques. John Bedini's various devices can demonstrate a huge amount of 'spiking' but none are overunity in themeselves by his own admission.

Hoppy

[JouleSeeker]

@jmm -- I intersperse responses in bold:

Prof. Jones,

I'm trying to replicate your circuit without success.

"without success" -- do you mean it won't light up the LED, or what?
Can you please give some informations in order to help me?

- What's the voltage drop in your LED (in a dc circuit)?
I put the LED in a dc circuit, Vbatt = 2.6VV-LED = 1.64VV-across 979ohm resistor = 0.96VNot sure this is too helpful, though.  See this post for details of how the voltages across the LED read out in this DUT:  [/]

[]DVM 6(black)-7(red) +0.6V  (DSO: Vpp 3.4V)  Dim red[/]

[]See here for the circuit and labels:  http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=853.0

- Did you use a normal ferrite toroid?
Yes, as stated in the OUR thread -- see URL above:[/]

[]Ferrite toroid 1"OD, 0.5"ID, 7/16" high, electronic goldmine G6683[/]

- I don't have 2N2222 transistors. Can you tell me if your circuit works as well with a BC547, BC547A or 2N3904 ?
Haven't tried these out, sorry.  --Steve

Thank you. Hope you're having a nice time.
Regards,
Jaime
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@mscoffman-- agreed, and that is why I seek multiple testing methods and state that the Tek 3032 results are only "evidence of" at this stage.



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[xee2]

Could I ask you to draw up in this fashion my hand-drawn circuit shown in post #2 of this thread??

Done.

[hyiq]

Hi All,

Simply putting a Light Emitting Diode accross the input V+ and V - and output V+ and V- shows My Version of the circuit is not COP > 1. There is a visable difference in Light emmited.

I still think this circuit can go COP > 1 and will change resistors and Caps to keep adjusting.

Also Last night I pulled the circuit down and rebuilt and got different frequency so there is something out of the norm going on here. Will report more soon.

All the Best

  Chris