PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[hyiq]

Hi All,

P.S. My load is obviously the LED. I use this as I dont have two scopes. I tune to get the lowest input power I can but get the LED as bright as I can.

Still there is room for measurement error here.

All the best.

  Chris

[Tudi]

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About your scope shot null-points. In ZPE theory you almost got it working. The idea is to somehow break the chain of that increasing oscilation before it starts decreasing. There is some reason it started increasing in peak values and some reason that it started decreasing peak values ( -4 us ). In theory if you manage to tap the output just right, and really use up the output not just loop it back or try to store in a cap that changes it's parameters as it starts to fill up, you should be able to maintain that high peak oscilation state. Ofc, easy to say, hard to do
As i seen it in Joulseeker video, this oscilation phase( rise -> fall ) is much longer then in yours. Maybe this is the factor of the OU output ?
Hard to do it but : if you manage to loop back the output in a way to be in resonance to the next output, it should amplify the peak values every time it loops ( untill everything falls apart ). Ex : loop 1 will generate 1 peak value of 2x amplification at moment 2us with duration of 1us. If you manage to loop back output so that this this peaked value will get peaked again, you should get a 4x(+2x peak from input) peak at same 2us with duration of 1us.
But if you do not do it right, then you will have a scope shot of either a consecutive peaks with same size, or some random peaks ( noise like ), with larger and smaller peaks due to the harmonics of the signal ( loop x in harmonic with loop y + loop z with loop k.... )
Since it is insanely hard to get such sincronization to get a harmonics at every loop. Just producing lots of lots of peaks should increase the chance to get an increasing amplification.
ps: this is just peaking the voltage, not increasing energy ?

[Tudi]

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[xee2]

@ hyiq

If you are using R3 to measure input current, I think it should be moved to be in series with the battery so that it is only measuring the battery current. And I think you should remove VR2 since it is shorted out by the grounds.

NOTE: Where you have it, R3 is only measuring a small part of the current coming into circuit since most of the current is going into the output ground.

[nul-points]

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ps: this is just peaking the voltage, not increasing energy ?

thanks for your comments Tudi

as i mentioned above, this isn't intended to be a replication to confirm Steven's results - i'm just investigating one possible method for returning the o/p to the supply

obviously, if my circuit begins to show any signs that it also benefits from the same excess energy** which Steven measures, then it will justify closer attention

(** that's energy as in (((Sum of all instantaneous(V * i))/ No. data points) * t), for folks that haven't read up on Steven's test methodology)

...not sure if your question i've quoted above is just rhetorical, or if you're directing it at me?    if it's to me, could you expand a bit, on what 'this' is?  thanks


@all
just discovered a little earlier that the more depleted of the two NiMHs which  i'v been using in the circuit described above, had started getting charged by the less depleted cell and had flipped polarity, with a small reverse voltage of approx 25mV

so i've removed that cell and the circuit is now working from a single cell at approx 1.25V

this is pretty close to the previous conditions, so the LED brightness appears unaffected

i'll continue monitoring the cell voltage trend with this new setup


thanks
np


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