PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[NerzhDishual]

Hi OU blokes,

No momentum conservation...  And then ?

It is just another "paradox" (a very useful word).
It sounds like Physics were not complete. Is it?

What about "RHYTHMODYNAMICS" (Yuri N. Ivanov)?
http://www.mirit.ru/rd_2007en.htm
Action without Reaction.
(End of the article after the picture included (Fig 124 in the article)).

Very Best

[jbignes5]

I would say that if you do anything you should think about others well known experiments with very fast low current pulses. We know that there is a very large field surrounding the coil and the rest of the system in the slayer pop bottle coil. I don't know if it was slayer or someone else who authored it but to tell you the truth it works because current does not effect the voltage component. It is the other way around. Voltage effects the external current flow twords the system. There are tons of experiments out there that show this. Slayers being the top of the list.

I think what you are missing is an input and output transmitter like an antenna. Between two antennas you would get a flow, much like if we greatly increase the voltage component it becomes very clear what it looks like. When we have a direction of flow it is gonna pick up more potential as it flows.

I have seen some pretty amazing experiments from respected individuals that show size and shape of the antennas are very important when designing the unit. The virtual ground could be a block of metal like aluminum and the antenna should be some (1/2 1/4 1/8) wave equivelent to the systems frequency. I'll chat more if you guys like. Got to do some work now...

[Pirate88179]

IIRC, the electrodes on the earth battery are not "forever" -- they degrade during operation of the battery.  Isn't that correct?

Mine have not shown any problems at all after 3+ years.  Stubblefield said if aligned in the earth properly, degradation is not a problem at all.  So far, in my experience, this has been true.  Of course, it has not been forever yet.

Bill

[NickZ]

  I think think I'm showing more wear and tear.

[JouleSeeker]

Mine have not shown any problems at all after 3+ years.  Stubblefield said if aligned in the earth properly, degradation is not a problem at all.  So far, in my experience, this has been true.  Of course, it has not been forever yet.

Bill

Bill, or someone -- can you tell me HOW to MAKE one of these "cement cells"?  I like the way you guys jump in and do "crazy" experiments.  Someday, we're going to make a breakthrough (gut feeling).

Thanks for comments on the relativity puzzle -- note that violating Newton's third law is essentially equivalent to non-conservation of momentum.  Will return to that discussion soon.

More studies today with the circuit, trying to achieve low Pin (< 1mW), then look at Pout without using an oscilloscope --

Conditions:
Ein by 10,000uF cap = 10mF
Rb 52Kohms
MPS2222
C-B 372 pF (note increase)
D red LED
L-B, L-O bifilar 9turns, ferrite toroid 1"OD,  ~120uH each
L1 connected to point 6 (between LED and Ro)
Ro = 220 ohms

Rr= 0, CSRout = 0 (removed)

Then, using Cap + stopwatch method, Pin is 0.41mW with LED glowing dim but easily seen in lit room

Next, to look at Pout -- crudely.  I simply replaced Ro with a 10mF capacitor


Ro = > replaced by 10,000 uF cap, same as the input-power cap (yes, I realize I need to measure the actual capacitances -- using my colleague's meter).

Using cap and stop-watch method for BOTH caps, get following results.

Ein = 1/2 C (Vstart**2 - Vfinal**2)   -- discharging to provide Pin
Eout = 1/2 C (Vofinal**2 - Vostart**2)  -- charging to estimate Pout.  Note that the LED is glowing, and that energy is NOT captured, (various losses also not counted) so this provides a conservative estimate of Pout.

n = Eout/Ein -- since Cin ~ Cout,

n ~ (Vofinal**2 - Vostart**2) / (Vstart**2 - Vfinal**2)  -- conservative estimate, made using matched capacitors for input and output energy.

Typical result:
n ~ (1.58**2 - 1.30**2) / (2.54**2 - 2.25**2)  = 0.58 = 58% (conservative)

Note, Pin = Ein/time ~ 0.25 mW  (Pin is less with this system, with the cap replacing the 220 ohm Ro).
Please note the LOW value for required input power to light the LED.

Best result tonight:
n ~ (1.366**2 - 1.258**2) / (2.0**2 - 1.89**2)  = 0.7 = 70% (conservative)

Now, this is with matched caps for input energy and output energy, with the energy in the LED "thrown away", as it was lit visibly.  Hope you're following what I'm doing here -- achieve a low Pin while LED is still lit visibly (quite bright), then get a FIRST CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE for Pout (or Eout in this case).

Next -- a simple test, 10mF cap at 2.53V, so Ein = 32 mJ,  connect matching cap in parallel --> both caps now at 1.22 volts (volts drops by half as the charge is shared, conservation of charge).  But
E = 1/2 10mF V**2

So Ein = 32 mJ, Eout = 15 mJ (measured using voltages before and after joining caps in parallel) -- so HALF THE ENERGY IS LOST JUST CHARGING ONE CAP WITH A CHARGED-CAP (= capacitances).  n = 50% is the best one can do under these circumstances.  Not certain if that applies in this circuit...  a sim might tell that... 

Here, I get n ~ 58% typically and n~ 70% best run.

Conclusion:  interesting, not definitively OU in this configuration IMO -- still would like a better way to measure Eout or Poutput routinely so I can tune caps and resistors -- and the wound-toroid -- to maximize Pout/Pin = Eout/Ein.  On the road to self-running (I hope!)