PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[Pirate88179]

  Can't sleep just now... wheels turning.

OK -- next deduction re:company M that "visited" RUK -- what did they REALLY want from Romero? 
A:  his device.  R-UK said it was confiscated, did not say by whom (probably under threat again).
Q:  why did they want his device?
A:  because they believe RUK found a way to get it operate better, or perhaps even a "secret" that inventor Muller (now dead, we know) did not reveal prior to his demise.
They needed the actual Romero device to back-engineer, to make their patent useful to them!

If this line of reasoning is correct, they are now feverishly trying to get their machine on the market, incorporating Romero's "secrets"... and they may be willing to silence others until they get the device into production.  They are almost certainly following the discussion here at OU to glean more information useful to them...

Is this a good thing?  No, certainly not good what they did to RUK, "scared to death" he said.  And his device was confiscated.  You gotta admit, that was bold of whoever seized it.

If company M is seeking to monopolize this invention and "protect their patents", they may try to squelch the discussion here.  Or they may just follow it from a distance...
They may go after other "successful replications."   Of course, this line of reasoning suggests a way to find out about these guys and their intent... one just claims a self-running build of a Muller device, and...
You can figure it out from there.  A good novel if nothing else!
But seriously..... I gotta get some sleep.  zzzzzzzz.......
Cheers!

Dr. Jones:

I agree with all of your deductions in this case.  The only thing that does not make any legal sense to me is that a patent does not preclude someone building an exact replication for personal use...that is not part of the intellectual property protection as I understand it.  So, how did those lawyers BS Romero into giving up his device?  Possibly a lot of legal threats to which there are no actual basis?

I would not have caved into that type of bullying but possibly Romero did not understand what his rights were in this case and just went with the path of least resistance.  I wish he would have obtained his own legal counsel and then he would have found out that all of those threats were baseless.

I am not faulting Romero here at all.  If he was not used to dealing with folks like that, I am sure he got spooked.

Bill

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Pirate88179

I'm perfectly sure that when $$$ is on route there is no such thing like "personal usage"    , except when it's clear you cannot build device from scrap parts in garage (like solar panels for example)
Now what Kapanadze was doing makes even more sense : he  dismantled his device after every demonstration.

[xee2]

Nope, I don't think I said that.

Sorry. I misunderstood.

I also noticed that some of the Joule Ringer circuits would get brighter just before they finally went out. It may be that the transistor gain is higher at the point where the transistor is just barely on. But I have no data to show this.

[JouleSeeker]

Dr. Jones:

I agree with all of your deductions in this case.  The only thing that does not make any legal sense to me is that a patent does not preclude someone building an exact replication for personal use...that is not part of the intellectual property protection as I understand it.  So, how did those lawyers BS Romero into giving up his device?  Possibly a lot of legal threats to which there are no actual basis?

I would not have caved into that type of bullying but possibly Romero did not understand what his rights were in this case and just went with the path of least resistance.  I wish he would have obtained his own legal counsel and then he would have found out that all of those threats were baseless.

I am not faulting Romero here at all.  If he was not used to dealing with folks like that, I am sure he got spooked.

Bill

Thanks, Bill.
I'm not faulting Romero, either.  He said weeks ago that he has a heart condition and a family, and needs to back out from this matter (following the visit from the suits).  I fault the stiff-armed tactics of the suits, and the taking of his device.

RUK gives this further insight into what happened (in a post yesterday):

Then we had Baroutologos who made a big mistake and that was all. Baroutologos was in private discussions with me for a long time and we exchanged info and talked about many things. I know he had no intention to do any harm but when he realised was too late.

Evidently, it was Baroutologos who would know just what leverage these "private discussions with [Romero]" provided to the suits who then intimidated RUK.  I would guess these discussions including Romero and Bar. making money somehow from their work.

[ramset]

Prof,
I got a whole different feel for what Romero said took place,seems much more like an NDA violation then MIB!
He said he was working with some folks that had the intention of patenting?
Somewhere he crossed the disclosure line ...........

Of Course patenting an OU device is like trying to patent Air , water or sunshine!
Good luck to them ,
And Godspeed to Romero....................

Chet