PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[dimbulb]

Congradulations on new baby. miracle of life OU

A fast way to measure this output in temperature is to fasten an LM35 temp sensor to the resistor
with a drop of epoxy. The LM35 is linear and should'nt matter what waveform. Quantitative 
the input current needs to bring the sensor up over ambient.

Leds are relatively cool and not as directly related to work as the heat of a pure resistive load.
traditionally light bulbs were resistive and ac was simple sine.
The type of pulses being output will not be measured accurately on most digital multimeters
Using a better method will greatly improve the errors.

Dr Stiffler and Ashworth are doing the sec/steorn board measurement this week.
with a decscent calorimeter setup, they are getting the jump on you.

Better to stay with nominal value 12 volt or 5 volt input
at this stage battery drift would give error, constant voltage is preferred.
this way constant current will be available to dial in the just over ambient.

Simple example would look like:
fixed input 10 mA @5V DC has 28 degrees C measured on resistor
the same   10 mA @5V 8X Jones  has  40 degrees C measured on resistor
ou done

[JouleSeeker]

Congradulations on new baby. miracle of life OU

A fast way to measure this output in temperature is to fasten an LM35 temp sensor to the resistor
with a drop of epoxy. The LM35 is linear and should'nt matter what waveform. Quantitative 
the input current needs to bring the sensor up over ambient.

Leds are relatively cool and not as directly related to work as the heat of a pure resistive load.
traditionally light bulbs were resistive and ac was simple sine.
The type of pulses being output will not be measured accurately on most digital multimeters
Using a better method will greatly improve the errors.

I agree with your concern regarding use of DMM's for the Pout.
I checked on the LM35 you suggest, and it does look like a good way to measure temp.
I'm thinking of having two "identical" LM35+resistor combo's, one for calibration and the other for measuring Poutput in the circuit.  Calibration is done easily using a known DC Vin and Ain, P=IV.  One could adjust this "known" P with the steady temp over ambient seen in the DUT, to determine the Pout in the DUT.

In effect, an inexpensive calorimeter.

Dr Stiffler and Ashworth are doing the sec/steorn board measurement this week.
with a decscent calorimeter setup, they are getting the jump on you.

I'm interested and supportive of their work, and hope that SOME approach will succeed SOON in demonstrating OU definitively.  As I see it -- it's not a horse race...  it's the human race that will benefit if someone succeeds AND is able to get the device out to people so as to empower the people and self-sustaining communities (rather than the super-wealthy).  That second part is as important as the first... IMHO.

Thanks for your comments, dimbulb.  Do you have a link for Dr Stiffler's current work?

[totoalas]

I would like to encourage replications (and learning), and so I'm proposing a small "contest" -- to see who can reach the lowest Pin for any JT-type circuit. 
Just for fun -- and learning!

Hi to all and Dr, Jones
My setup hopefully  qualify for  the 100th position   but at least   somebody can notice and replicate it    also
cheers

totoalas

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4999-joulethief-sec-exciter-variants-post134504.html#post134504

http://www.energeticforum.com/134504-post1627.html

[JouleSeeker]

  Hello, totoalas -- nice device, lighting LOTs of LEDs! 
You wrote:  "12 v 1m A Simply the Best"

Most of the devices in the running here are below 12uW, whereas yours is at 12mW...  but if you could scale this down (perhaps by adding resistance to the base resistor), it would be interesting to see!   also, could you provide a schematic drawing for this circuit? 
In any case, thanks -- I like the work you have done.

[DrStiffler]

  Hello, totoalas -- nice device, lighting LOTs of LEDs! 
You wrote:  "12 v 1m A Simply the Best"

Most of the devices in the running here are below 12uW, whereas yours is at 12mW...  but if you could scale this down (perhaps by adding resistance to the base resistor), it would be interesting to see!   also, could you provide a schematic drawing for this circuit? 
In any case, thanks -- I like the work you have done.

Scale it down?
Interesting, at the beginning of your project it was about scaling it up to be useful. I would think 45-120 White LED's or 6W FL's from a few mills has greater potential than a dim LED that one must view in the dark.

Not trying to put what is going on here down, yet the folks using variations of SEC, Tesla and Slayer/Tesla are years ahead here, even doing (Power) transmission wireless. IMHO its not scale down, its scale up. So for a dim LED at a few uW what is wrong with tens to hundreds of watts with a few watts in, the CEC is still >1.