PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[prato_braun]

Hi Steve,

concerning the intriguing offer you've got to see a working device under NDA, you should maybe check how much it resembles the work here.
Maybe I'm paranoid but it would be sad if you'd find out that everyone here was super close and now you're not allowed to talk about it anymore.
I'm just mentioning this because in the crystal battery thread John Bedini now needs to avoid some questions because of NDA. On the other hand, he's got a working 'solid state' device powering a LED for probably many, many years patented by Marcus Reid.
Keep up the great work everybody
Cheers

Prato

[JouleSeeker]

First Steve,  struck a sample deal if this is alright for M457 at under 60 Euro each. They will give the forum a great deal if we all use a descriptor they assign us.

If I will order four of them.  The M-616 are NOT in stock. So ordering from source is large shipping costs.

  A very good price, Hope.  I say go for it!  and pls remind me of the dimensions of the M457 toroid.
(@all:  Hope is talking about the Gabriel nested bi-toroid transformer.  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10518.0 )

Hope: What I feel we really need is a input core with a BI-FILAR winding in place to be used to set the magnetic pathways. BUT this core should not be moved once it is magnetized and then the winding should be used to control the inputs.

Also on the secondary,  a BIFILAR pick up, I think then initial pulsing to set these pathways alignment should be done with a totally assembled device and it would be best NOT to re-orient or move the device  unless you're re-aligning it when it is in the new location.  It will matter how it is oriented and there will be a optimum due to natural magnetic currents.  But this will also be a value to us while designing to make it the best we can and then will matter only a bit when we move the device around to use it later.   Each time we move a device the tests will turn out a little different due to natural magnetic currents interacting on out devices currents.

Last of all, is it the permeability or the Tesla rating that is most important??  Can we agree upon a band of frequency or a range of the frequency we suspect will be effective.  If Mavendex will call an talk to their engineer he can relay what he thinks overall and we can truly get a lot of "not optimum" cores out of the picture.   They have lots of cores of many types, they can even build cores like Thanes or Klingelhofers for samples to us.

Those (permeability etc. ) are questions for folks who are now doing testing/construction -- like David or Mav or Mags (IMO).

Great that they will do windings...  but at what cost? any idea of the costs involved for them to do the winding?

IMHO the Thanes construction is easier, with E-I cores instead of toroids. There I think one could simply purchase pre-wound air-core coils, and place these onto the E-I cores (without tedious winding by hand, for example.)     What do you think of the Thanes approach?

Thanks, Hope, keep up the good work.   And I would say you have struck a good deal on the M457's!
Steve

[JouleSeeker]

Hi Steve,

concerning the intriguing offer you've got to see a working device under NDA, you should maybe check how much it resembles the work here.
Maybe I'm paranoid but it would be sad if you'd find out that everyone here was super close and now you're not allowed to talk about it anymore.
I'm just mentioning this because in the crystal battery thread John Bedini now needs to avoid some questions because of NDA. On the other hand, he's got a working 'solid state' device powering a LED for probably many, many years patented by Marcus Reid.
Keep up the great work everybody
Cheers

Prato

Welcome, Prato!  Thanks for your first post, and for your concern:

it would be sad if you'd find out that everyone here was super close and now you're not allowed to talk about it anymore.

I agree!  so a few days ago, I told the guys doing this device that BEFORE I could sign an NDA, I would need to see:
1.  a self-running device
2.  quantitative test data - especially showing HOW MUCH power is being produced.

They do not have either 1 or 2 in hand...  I'll let you guys know, here, if'n they get to either of these goals. 
Thanks again for the caveat... totally in agreement.

Can you provide the link to the discussion of the crystal battery?  I see that Lidmotor has a vid on his build of a crystal battery... looks fun!   

Again, is there any " quantitative test data - especially showing HOW MUCH power is being produced" for the crystal battery?

[JouleSeeker]

PS - @Hope:  I see the dimensions of the M-457 are 200-175-30, which is a good size for the toroid, but that the permeability is only 8,000 ...   In the Gabriel device, it is evidently important to have very high permeability for the inner core-toroid.  Sorry -- I don't know if 8,000 is enough...  Please ask Mav, Mags or David what they think.

[prato_braun]

Hi Steve,

so far test data isn't ready yet but John is working on it really every day. It's awsome how that whole thread developed

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7351-bedini-earth-light-48.html

and here is his latest video showing a radiant energy converter which should work for a pretty, gazillion pretty long time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kIOVv_Cqkk

Cheers,

Prato