PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[JouleSeeker]

Nick:

The normal aluminum cans that I use for most of my cells

Ah, aluminum...  I'm guessing this is a critical part of the cell, Nick, and that the aluminum degrades as the cell runs.
If you can run a cell with a plastic can, I'll retract this...  but I'm pretty sure that Al is a critical component and degrades (probably oxidizes) as the cell runs.

[NickZ]

  Although the aluminum cans (cathode) can wear down when running "wet cells", the idea here is to not utilize a galvanic reaction that consumes the metals. And that is what is being worked on presently.  Ideally a hermetically sealed cell that would not be affected by humidity, and have little or no oxidation in the metals is what would work best.
  I use no heat, nor additional water or liquids, and I  don't charge these cells.  The goal is to obtain a cell that runs on ambient energy, instead of a chemical reaction. And that has not been an easy thing to do, up to now.

  Yesterday I made a cell with just some plain wood carbon (as the electrolyte) that I found on the beach by my house.  Even that works, but not as well, it gave 0.8 volt, and 6mA. , no chemicals... I soaked and washed out any salt out of it, in case it had any. 
  Anyways, just having some fun with this. It's nice to watch the leds these cells and circuits light up at night, and all day, and all night...   And, it's just another way to help keep the low drain type of circuits that you guys are working on,  running,  and their leds lighting, for a long time,  hopefully.

[jbignes5]

Nick:
Ah, aluminum...  I'm guessing this is a critical part of the cell, Nick, and that the aluminum degrades as the cell runs.
If you can run a cell with a plastic can, I'll retract this...  but I'm pretty sure that Al is a critical component and degrades (probably oxidizes) as the cell runs.

I think you are right about the aluminum being a critical component but they don't seem to degrade the material used. This is what has everyone scratching their heads and hence why I tried to point you to the thread.
It dawned on me that since you were aiming for low current draw in your earlier work that if you found a device that didn't degrade and provided "forever" current forever then figuring out the power in would be essentially easier. Free is free right?

These cells when made right tend to loop the charge carriers in the crystal lattices inside of the material giving them the ability to run and not degrade the electrodes because of the crystal lattice. They take a few days to stabilize and run and seem to grow over a period of weeks if left alone. I would be very interested to have one disassembled after it has formed itself over a couple of weeks to be able to see the structure it forms. Maybe we could figure out just how these work then but who knows....

On another front research into this effect and it's causes could be this process: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5353809/Worlds-first-battery-fuelled-by-air.html

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Steven

as you can see in the first graph below, the terminal voltage trend of my DIY voltage cell powering my LED flasher variant of your SJ1 Hartley-type oscillator is still showing increasing voltage on-load 80 days after start of test on 8th July

i originally thought that its self-sustaining action might be due to energy from ambient temperature, but its also clear from the graph that the ambient temperature has been steadily decreasing since 8th July (as you would expect in the Northern hemisphere!)

when i opened up some previous cells it was evident that there was no corrosion on the electrodes (they were in fact brighter than at the start of the test runs) and i believe that the cell activity is not galvanic (although dictated by the differing Work Functions of the two metals)

since my separator is more dielectric (in fact, in semiconductor range) than electrolytic, i decided to test this avenue and found that i could achieve a cell voltage using latex as a separator!

the control experiment with one of my cells loaded by just a resistor and capacitor in parallel is showing a gradual discharge trend (albeit with quite large peaks and troughs in the terminal voltage), so i think it is safe now to assume that the ability of the LED flasher system to not just self-sustain but actually increase its own supply voltage is due in part to the pulse nature of the load circuit


the updated graph (2nd one shown below) for my 'Tesla Switch' type variant of your SJ1 Hartley-type oscillator is starting to show an interesting trend as the average of the 'charging' and 'supply' cells converge - initially it looked to me as if the systems would just settle into a continued gentle discharge curve, but with the latest battery swap there is a hint of the system moving towards a stable operating level - if this continues then i have a draft circuit 'waiting in the the wings' to test a 4 battery full self-recharge attempt

thanks
np


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[jbignes5]

 I think what is very interesting is the fact that they attribute air being the supply for energy and it makes sense because if you look at the crystalline structure to most of these crystals you will find the binders are in fact hydrogen. and when there is ample supply of air or a supply of water in the system they seem to run forever in a cycle of dissemblance and recombination of the hydrogen in water inside of the system.
I would postulate that the system doesn't have a direct short because of the crystalline lattice but just like crystals use in the communications realm, they vibrate allowing the flow of charges to pass the structure and into the structure of the electrodes. One is reliant on the other and this is why most of the cells need a kick start.
What should be done next is to really start to understand the system we have put together in these batteries. Just from vibratory energy we can see that one type of crystal cell is active and the other crystal cell type is the receiver. Rochelle salt is highly piezoelectric and with the addition of other crystalline structures we have the actuator driven by the imbalance between the two electrodes and the further process of hydro imbalancing you can see there are a great many things driving this type of cell. Not one process in this battery is responsible for the battery effect we are seeing.