PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[albertouno]

Gyula:

I have an EE background (Masters degree), and not a physist, but thanks for your interest.  JouleSeeker can cover the physics better.  I had to go back and review old college stuff to better understand the theory of transformers, etc.  While I think its a clever idea, I don't believe new energy is being created here.  Inductors and capacitors normally receive energy from  an AC source during the first part of a cycle, then return the energy to the source in a later part of the cycle.   It is termed out-of-phase or reactive power.   However, A resistor typically absorbes the energy as heat, and this is termed in-phase or "real" power.  The symantics are not great.

For this transformer, the input looks reactive (inductance), but the output looks resistive.  The power co. normally charges money for drawing real in-phase current to a resistive load (lights, etc).  I think that this device would enable the collection of energy from a power grid without having to pay for it, but Not creating anything new.  Any thoughts JouleSeeker? 

Albertouno

[forest]

What's the difference ? If you have a way to convert reactive power into real power, then creating reactive power is just an engeneering task of resonant radio circuit ?

[gyulasun]

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For this transformer, the input looks reactive (inductance), but the output looks resistive.  The power co. normally charges money for drawing real in-phase current to a resistive load (lights, etc).  I think that this device would enable the collection of energy from a power grid without having to pay for it, but Not creating anything new. 
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Hi Alberto,

Thanks for your answer and I also understand Thane Heins transformer setup (as described in the patent) is working on reactive input power. 
It remains to be seen that any claim as per the useful output power could be also fed back (in a controlled/regulated way) to the input, because this would be the ultimate proof from those who claim this transformer setup produces more output than it needs at its input. It would be very good to have such a device then.

Gyula

[albertouno]

Hi Forest et All:

My appoligies, I was not aware of the earlier thread on this subject.  Not sure I understand your response,  we may be agreeing with each other.  It takes energy to create either reactive power or real power.  Converting from one to another doesn't create new energy when drawing from the same energy source.  So nothing is gained from the Canadian device except the money normally paid to the power company.  The power co. still has to generate the original energy.  They seem to be the looser here.  Hope I am wrong and some new energy is being created.   The worlds energy problems would be solved.   The Canadian idea is very creative, but not sure what it could lead to for overunity?

[jbignes5]

Hi Forest et All:

My appoligies, I was not aware of the earlier thread on this subject.  Not sure I understand your response,  we may be agreeing with each other.  It takes energy to create either reactive power or real power.  Converting from one to another doesn't create new energy when drawing from the same energy source.  So nothing is gained from the Canadian device except the money normally paid to the power company.  The power co. still has to generate the original energy.  They seem to be the looser here.  Hope I am wrong and some new energy is being created.   The worlds energy problems would be solved.   The Canadian idea is very creative, but not sure what it could lead to for overunity?

Well I would say it does show us that just from a potential we can cause a flow to happen. Harnessing that flow without shorting it out is the trick! The only thing Thane is doing is utilizing the potential of the source.

Two questions come to mind: 1) how far can we load the source potential? 2) Is there any limits to this process?

Those two questions might seem to be the same but actually they are very different. By most of the experiments, we have seen for our own eyes on here how we can manifest energy from a static device. The experiments with high voltage are very extreme in this sense because when you raise the potential to a very high state, as we have seen, resistance doesn't effect it much. This means the transfer behaves much differently then when a resistance is presented with higher currents.
The Bifilar coil is a coil that presents a greater field quicker and the only real resistance is of the wire itself. With no chance of anti field capability this coil is the perfect device to capacitance fire the coil. Think of the burst capabilities of the bifilar coil and you can see where we could harness a great blast at this coil.
If Tesla has shown me one thing, that thing would be that a capacitor big enough has all the power of near instant release of that energy. Harness these two things and now you have a way to control that blast. To steer or channel it's power is where we need to go from there.
One avenue of great importance to pay attention to the spark gap technology. We have messed around with spark gap but have not improved it much. Might we start looking into conditioning the spark gap environment. Keeping the space constant would help tons with regulating the spark gap discharge environment. Maybe an oil filled magnetic quenched gap might do the job? the magnetic quenching could be dynamic also with moving magnetic quenchers around the gap to better control the frequency amplifying process Tesla used.
I believe the winds in his motors and most devices made by him were all bifilar after a certain point. It seems to me that he discovered the process accidentally through a lot of experimentation in most of his devices after he started using the bifilar wind in his high voltage converter. This converter raised the voltage up so High that resistance had a nil effect on it's transfer. In fact he figured out that once there is this field of high potential you can interrupt it with near instant results even at it's highest of ranges. The best way to interrupt that field was a spark gap. Analogue shorting controlled with magnetic fields is the way to go. Who knows what frequency he was using because of that Technology. This is where the real power comes from. It back feeds from all the Universe's pressure. Increase the bubble we create and the power gets immense in the response from the universe.
I would suggest this investigation of the bifilar and using high voltages would be the way to go. With each engine being a separate tap into the Universal pressure grid. Understanding how two of these fields interact should be another avenue of discovery be as we all know interference patterns are essentially what matter controls. It is the reason matter exists. Matter is merely a static frequency, controlled by the potential inside of the smallest parts of matter. That matter, is part of the frequency pattern or the other way around and are closely related.

From the investigations with crystal batteries we are finding out that there are tons of vibrations to feed the piezoelectric nature of the crystalline formations we are using in those batteries. An interesting discovery would be to send one out in space and see if it reduces the electrical response we are seeing on our planet. My prediction is that it would go down in voltage and current capabilities but would not stop. But also the forces out in space are much less and we would need very little to run our crafts out there if we used them in that kind of application. These batteries would be used to charge our capacitors to fire the bifilar coils and get the field we needed to run our applications on our crafts. In fact some of the batteries have shown that they act like capacitors and could store more energy that is induced off of the bifilar coils to recharge the batteries as well. So the batteries would have a minimum charge level that is self sustainable to a lower extent. More research is needed in that field!

Has anyone taken one of these crystal batteries and exposed it to the electric field of an exciter? Now that might be a great experiment.