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[vineet_kiran]

Weight W3 would raise only if relative motion exists between weights W2 and W3. Since entire plane moves as one unit, there is no chance of W3 raising w.r.t. W2.
It might only swing like pendulum due to change in position of the horizontal supporting bar.  Swinging can be taken care of suitably.

Since this is a fairly simple experiment kindly conduct the experiment yourself before making any comments.

Thanks
Vineet.K.

[Airstriker]

Weight W3 would raise only if relative motion exists between weights W2 and W3. Since entire plane moves as one unit, there is no chance of W3 raising w.r.t. W2.
It might only swing like pendulum due to change in position of the horizontal supporting bar.  Swinging can be taken care of suitably.

Since this is a fairly simple experiment kindly conduct the experiment yourself before making any comments.

Thanks
Vineet.K.

Hi Vineet,

Indeed you're right. I knew it at first but then, when playing with WM2D simulations I for some reason forgot about the fact that W2 and W3 are one moving entity. Again I must say: ingenious !
Can you make a drawing with the additional pendulum you mentioned ? I cannot imagine it at the moment. I will try to do some real experiments as soon as possible.
Anyway, these two mechanical concepts of yours are the best ones I've seen so far.

PS. Forgive me asking twice but have you tried the solution with two wheels in real experiment ?

[vineet_kiran]

Hi Julian,


The pendulum effect comes into picture only  when the weight W3 is free to swing.   When it is placed well on the support it won’t  swing.   Remember that  for any lever mechanism  lever arm at the center is zero and displacement  at the center is zero.  The whole idea behind the experiment itself is transferring  part of weight W2 to the center using another weight W3.


  I have verified the ‘wheels’ experiment, but only with ordinary methods which I hesitate to reveal to the scientific community of 21st century standards.   I don’t have  a well established laboratory to verify it methodically.

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Lenz rule apply only to the same energy form. Convert energy into other form....

[vineet_kiran]

This is just a repeating  comment raised by earlier members.   My sincere advise to you is that conduct the experiment yourself.   Considering the height of the fulcrum you cannot make plane vertical to the ground.  To achieve this you may have to turn the entire earth itself by 90 degrees (joke).

Regarding your second comment, it is obvious that when solid lever arm is used, lever rules are applicable on all points of the lever.   The idea of using string is to transfer force without getting lever rules applied and also to get flexibility in motion.