New magnetic-gravity motor chasing its tail from Tom

[ramset]

This is a repost of the first post in this thread ,I have also invited some of the fellows from Tom's thread at the energetic forum to have a look!

Tom
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I have decided to let you and the world in on all I have done. YOU CAN POST THIS LETTER ON ANY WEB SITE YOU WISH. I hope others give it a try using their own ideas as they go along. I will send you a photo tomorrow of my device that still need runner magnet work.

My idea has to be executed with great care and there is a lot of adjusting and experimenting to do. If not done correctly with care this device will not work.


I am having trouble right now positioning my runner magnet in the exact spot to make the device operate again.

We are only interested in the repel mode Attract is out If you find the magnets attract each other you are not going to have results.

Here is how it works:

You have a wooden Lazy Susan turntable in front of you made with very thick wood. So much the better if the bearings are 316 grade stainless steel. My bearings are not. Try to stay away from using ferrous materials

In the exact center of the top of the lazy susan drill a 3/8 inch hole and insert a 316 grade stainless steel or brass rod. Threaded is good.

That rod should have a pointed top end so a plastic nylon ball with a 3/8 inch hole drilled half way through it can be placed on the top of the rod. That ball should be able to rotate easily through 360 degrees.

I used a 1 inch diameter plastic ball knob and coated it with light grease.

Next comes the fun part. Buy a very large powerful ceramic ring magnet having a large diameter but small center hole. My magnet diameter is 4.5 inches with a center hole of 1.75 inches. It weighs 5.5 pounds.!!! I placed a "brass bearing" inside that hole and now my inside diameter was 1 inch.

Before you put the bearing through the ring magnets center you must solder or weld a round non ferrous cap to the top side of the bearing.


Now epoxy the capped bearing inside the ring magnets center.hole.

After the epoxy sets you take the ball with the drilled hole and put it on the senter shaft so it rotates. Grease the ball head

Now you take your modified monster ring magnet and place the BRASS CUP you just made over the plastic ball and set the magnet down.

Notice now that the huge ring magnet now can not only pivot but turn and tilt as well. YOU JUST MADE A HUGE RING MAGNET BALL JOINT.

Next is the part that will try your patients.

You need a short very powerful neo rod magnet. I used two stacked 1.5 inch long ,75 inch diameter rod magnet sections. My total lenght was 3 inches.

Take that rod magnet and mount on a 45 degree wood section so that the magnet side that is up repels the huge ring magnet. You should be able to place that runner magnet """DIRECTLY UNDER THE RING MAGNET."""

That action forces the ring magnet on top of the runner to TILT UP if you did that correcty. YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPERIMENT TO FIND JUST THE RIGHT SPOT.

ANY ATTRACTION IS A NO NO

Now since the runner magnet is not mounded in the exact center of the lazy susan it should turn the lazy susan.platform. Notice as it is turning the heavy huge ring magnet is also TILTING, TURNING, and pushing the runner magnet along.

The runner magnet can not excape this becuase it is ALWAYS GOING TO BE UNDER THE HEAVY UMBRELLA OF THE RING MAGNET SEEKING THE EASY PATH TO EXCAPE. THE LAZY SUSAN TABLE WILL TURN IN THAT DIRECTION.

THE 45 DEGREE MOUNTING OF THE RUNNER MAGNET VECTORS SOME OF THE GRAVITY FORCES ( WEIGHT) OF THE RING MAGNET INTO TURNING THE LAZY SUSAN PLATFORM.

Post where you see fit.

Tom

P.S: My ring magnet will always have part of its weight pushing down on the runner magnet under it. In otherwards the ring magnet will always be tilted as it turns over the runner magnet spinning around and under it.

I also forgot to mention that the runner magnet not only is mounted on a 45 degree ramp but is also fixed at a 45 degree angle to the center axis of device. This positioning allows the lazy susan to turn.

Photos or a video will follow later today and you can post both the previous letter and the photos or video.. This letter also

Tom

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WE're starting to talk about this and the fact that Tom seemed to have moved to a Sphere design as posted here

Tom
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Hi all.
Tom wrote:
"My simple inexpensive MOTOR device works using only 2 small  sphere magnets and another inexpensive off the shelf component.  Similar to a SMOT "SMALL MAGNETIC OVERUNITY TOY".  Its self running and can power other devices  NO ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRONICS WHATSOEVER."

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The device seems to have heavily Evolved in one months time .


Lumens responce to the Original posted Lasy Susan design [pre Sphere]

Lumen
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This is the one I was working on. I have not built anything yet but in the simulator I found a way to omit the gravity part. There is an interesting effect if the ball pivot point is at the correct distance from the magnet as this can be used as the vector point of two forces. At this point, it takes nothing to tilt the magnet and drive the rotor.

Just something to think about.

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Thats Plenty to think about! ,To me in Tom's original description he seemed to be using Gravity to his Benefit?

Can you post any images ?

Also,

Perhaps Stefan can Email Tom back to see How things are going?

Thanks
Chet

[CuriousChris]

Chris
I'm sorry for being difficult regaurding the dangers of Fussing with Neo's
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Chet

I didnt think you were being difficult, sorry if I gave that impression. You obviously have a great deal of experience. So I'll ammend my warning to..

No you cant 'turn' a neo magnet unless you have a great deal of experience and have a electroplating business handy to re-plate the magnet after turning

I wish Tom posted a video, or even a series of photo's of the original unit so we could visually identify the layout. maybe even play around with it and suggest improvements. many hands make light work.

If he believes his refinement improves the performance greatly then releasing the unimproved version should be no issue.

Tom?

[infringer]

What you could do is draw up all of the plans put it in an ebook and copyright it via the ECO website. Then publish the digital version on amazon and Barnes & Noble sell the book for 5.00 per copy ... Time that it would take once you have your guide on how to build it and how it works. will be 3 to 5 business days. Link to this guide and say if you want to learn all the specifics just purchase this. Then for each sale you will net 70% profits from amazon and I dunno about B&N but I would suspect you would be making approximately 3.00 per sale...

If you do this I will likely purchase a copy of your book/guide myself.

I bought this one guide actually online from a guy a chat with he kept yapping about how how to look and feeling younger so I did that and used it and it actually works I see that he has that published on amazon now you would be shocked at the information that is out there on different topics this one just had to do with releasing HGH  production naturally: the foutain of youth... it was probably the best 3 bux that I spent I feel a lot more healthy since following this book call it whatever mental mojo or the real deal all I know is that it works I have slightly elevated energy levels and it seems that I can shake off aches and pains a bit easier.

But I the point I am getting to is I could think of worse things to waste cash on and I would likely purchase your book. As it is on a topic I find great interest in. At worst I saved myself from eating one less burger or whatever lol.

Total cost to you I think the ECO website says 35.00 but I am not sure if there is any hidden fees associated ... Anyhow good luck and thank you for making the logical choice to share the information public.

[ramset]

 Tom comment july 25
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I have made major improvements since then but the original concept is there.  Only two sphere magnets and another  inexpensive component is needed to run the device as well as simple non ferrous materials found in Lowes, Home Depot, or Mcmaster-Carr.
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Tom responce july 27 to lumen  Note""[previously [7 /26  he talked about replacing a component that had not been shared and then doing a video]

Quote from: lumen on July 27, 2011, 01:26:52 AMThis is something interesting! I just setup a few simulations in Maxwell based on this idea, and I think it actually works. Even better, after some changes, it can be made to work even without using gravity.
This is good because in this forced condition without using gravity, it could operate at very high RPM. The simulation uses a 3" diameter disk 1/8" thick and two cylinder magnets 1/2 diameter 1" long. A ball pivot point 1" above the disk magnet center. The two other magnets are used in different ways to create the forced condition and to provide .018 Newton meters of torque on a rotating disk mounter below the 3" disk magnet holding the two cylinder magnets.

I don't want to say too much as it's not my idea, but the simulator indicates it does work!
I will probably build one myself for testing and report back if it works or not.

Thanks Tom,
I had this same idea many years ago, but could not put it together.
It was your success that renewed my interest!

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Toms Comment on Lumens post,
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You have two magnets repelling each other. The lead magnet (runner)
moves forward, the second magnet or engine magnet moves backward according to Newtons third law.
They seperate a distance then nothing happens.

Second scenario:

The engine magnet CAN NOT move backward now:
THe runner magnet will still move forwad and leave the stationary engine magnet behind it  untill it reaches a distance then it stops.

Third scenario:

Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously  Thats where I am at now
 

Tom
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7/28 Airstriker quotes a Tom post and asks a question


Quote from: magnetman12003 on July 28, 2011, 03:40:03 AMThird scenario:

Both engine magnet and runner sphere magnets repelling each other on the same platform BUT moving together as one unit continuously

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Airstriker question to Tom
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You mean sphere or ring magnet ? You were using ring magnets - design change ?

[Note This answers the Question were there any Vids from Tom on Sphere Magnets No]

7/28
Toms responce to Airstrikers question
Tom,
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Sphere magnets.  Ring magnets were to heavy and I found I did not need gravity at all.

Tom

7/28
Tom posts this Lumen quote with out comment

[It appears to be Dialogue from some other place:
Lumen Quote:
Does the device start out slow then accelerate to some faster RPM limit?
How long have you left it running?

This device starts out like a racehorse and to tell the truth I have not found a practical way to vary the speed .  To slow it down or stop it I have to place a very large ring magnet near it without the setup or ring magnet colliding with each other.

Part of the spinning platform is heavy so it does not run away with blinding speed.

I would like to find someone that can cut a 3/8 inch  diameter titanium rod and thread one end of it to 16 threads per inch spec.
All done without marring or scratching up the rod.   Thats a power drive shaft  Titanium is extremely hard to machine.  I have a long rod to cut if anyone is capable of doing this.  I am using a grade 316 non magnetic stainless steel rod at present.

Tom

If you need any help with custom parts or design work to get this project moving, I would be happy to assist you

Comment from Tom to lumen

The titanium rod I need is 3/8 inches in diameter, 5 3/4 inches long, with a 1 3/8 inch tread on one end of the rod.  16 threads per inch.

To hard for me to cut and thread with the equipment I have. All I would do is scratch up the rods surface.  I already have a 12 inch section of rod to work with.

I am trying for the most uncomplicated/inexpensive route to do all of this. Patenting can turn into a costly mess which will go no where after spending a fortune.  Anyhow I already know the US patent office does not take patent applications for overunity or perpetual motion devices.  What catagory this device might fall into is unknown to me   Two magnets repelling each other while turning clockwise in my case.

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7 /30
Tom asks a question

Hi Guys,

First off I dont intent to patent this device as the patent office does not recognize overunity or perpetual motion devices. Anyhow and big  oil money will stand in my way to block any marketing.

Looking across the ocean a large country we all know does not recognize patents anyhow. They can take any device and produce it more cheaply than the inventor could then market it worldwide. 

I am on a fixed  retirement pension and cash poor.   

My next step is to show to the world a working prototype within the next week or so.

Having said that is there anyone out there interested after seeing the above working  would spring for  a purchase of four  1.5 inch neodium sphere magnets and a enough left over to buy a set of large size quality shop drills.

I have enough in me now I can make a much larger and powerful device.  No guarantee of any payback  once the items above  are bought and delivered to me.  I belive now its the source of power in those UFOs we all keep hearing about. How much do 4 powerfull sphere magnets weigh?   This device  is that light and powerfull.

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Tom checks out of the forum 2 hrs after the above post and hasn't returned since
[According to the "history" in his public profile]

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Chet
[actually begining]

Curios Chris
Yes we should try and put this into "picture" form?

[magnetman12003]

Hi All,

Sorry for all the excitement about this but Lumen seems to point out a better way take it to the next level.  Don't know??    I am taking a long rest as this has to be perfect - not something that works on and off or not at all. 

I just have a very small workspace and cant make precision parts and dont have a aid of a computer to figure out things.

Will be back much later to see what happens.

Tom