Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid

[neptune]

@nul-points . If you go on youtube and search for TT`s channel [nanotec99`s channel] and look through the videos , there is one of an oscilloscope trace . Little info is given about it , at least in English . A trace of
the machine unloaded is unlikely as Thomas says that disconnecting the motor  will kill the effect and necessitate re electrifying the sand .

[nul-points]

@nul-points . If you go on youtube and search for TT`s channel [nanotec99`s channel] and look through the videos , there is one of an oscilloscope trace
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thanks Mr N!  i'll go and have a look

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@nul-points . If you go on youtube and search for TT`s channel [nanotec99`s channel] and look through the videos , there is one of an oscilloscope trace
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A trace of the machine unloaded is unlikely as Thomas says that disconnecting the motor  will kill the effect and necessitate re electrifying the sand .

the fan and the car lamp, shown as loads powered by the 'reactor' in tutorial video #13, are both presumably 12V DC parts?


i'm guessing that you don't get to be a licensed Radio Ham without knowing a thing or two about constructing and testing electronic equipment

so i find myself asking 'why is the inventor just showing us a scope trace of decayed ringing which occurs after a pulse?'

he doesn't show the pulse - he doesn't show the DC supply voltage offset on which the ringing occurs

he must certainly know exactly what he is, and what he isn't, showing us - i find that fact more interesting than the scope trace


also, there must have been a point in the setup just before the fan was connected?  i would have thought that would be a suitable point to show the o/p state of the 'reactor'?

or is the inventor saying that the fan must be connected whilst the 'reactor' gets charged up? 


don't break any coathangers in half, yet, Mr Neptune!

np


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[k4zep]

Hi All,

There are not any damn fool questions, only damn fool answers.  I have a lot of questions too but I'm going to follow the build by rote
method and when I get some output, I'll damn sure measure it and know exactly what it is pronto.  I know there is a pack of questions about inductance, AC, DC, purpose and specifications of exciter motor, that single scope shot, tuned cavity vs. resonant reactor, DC from an AC circuit with NO rectification, size, turns, length, etc.  I'll try and find out the answers, when I'm sure, I'll speak.  I am NOT going to spew forth what I think about it as we all have our pet theories.  I will show what is real and exact when I can.  Anyone else doing this I hope will do the same.  I know we have some excellent engineers, technicians, builders both mechanical and electronic out there on this and other list.  There are some I know more competent than myself, but I hope I can provide the "spark", and a small bit of guidance to keep the "herd" all going in the right direction with the artist and builder Thomas. 

Again, folks, be patient, I just didn't have time to do any work on it today except to find out my #16 TW wire was too large and only allowed me 77 turns on a trial inner tubing. I also ordered a couple more things on Ebay for shop stock.   I to have ask myself EVERY question I have see and heard (and a few more) since the list started.  None of the questions are without merit but ALL IN DUE TIME.  The only questions I will ask of Thomas is pertaining on HOW to build it to keep this the give and take to a reasonable level.  That is the first step.  Later we can develop a model as to HOW and possibly WHY it works when we have one or more working units. 

I have the worlds smallest but well equipped shop. Between the closet where I think and work, the desk where I "talk" to all of you and the storeroom where I keep equipment not in use, I have most everything covered.  Years of scrounging, buying off Ebay for pennies on the dollar have come to this.  The shop scope is an excellent FLUKE PM3394B, a few years old but a damn good 4 channel scope. Assorted pulse/waveform generators, power supplies, drawers of meters, HV probes, HV power supplies AC and DC, list goes on and on. WHEN I get measurable output, I will buy a portable battery operated scope to look at the isolated output real time and will also buy whatever else it takes to document and understand the process. 

A mechanic is only as good as his tools and an inquisitive experimenter is only as good as his tools and his abilities to use them after a certain point.  The most important tool is the brain and using it in a constructive manner.  Think, Think, Think. What ever it takes, it will be done.  IF I don't know the answer to what I see, I'll either put a video up on YouTube or a series of pictures here for all to analyze.  In the arena we are working, many inquisitive and constructive thinking heads are better than one.   

Just remember, this technology is thousands of years old.   Unlocking old technology and the secrets of the past is a painstaking business of electronic/electrical archeology and the last thing we want to do is get sidetracked on a basic error in theory or understanding.    So I guess I must crawl before I walk.  All I ask is that we do this together.  At some point, I expect to see the younger, brighter and more mental nimble than myself to get up and run away with it!!!  Then my job will be finished!

Remember, it is easy to "speak" with authority, but to show why your have the authority to speak  is  much more difficult!

That is all.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

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that single scope shot
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DC from an AC circuit with NO rectification
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The most important tool is the brain and using it in a constructive manner.  Think, Think, Think
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In the arena we are working, many inquisitive and constructive thinking heads are better than one.   
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the last thing we want to do is get sidetracked on a basic error in theory or understanding
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Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

hi Ben

i'm glad that you're to be the one who champions this for the thread because i know that you have the right mix of construction ability, experience - and doggedness! 

you remember we discussed your findings when you added the gen coil/FWBR/cap o/p from your MD rep to the PSU?  i was just thinking about that again, before i saw your latest post here, i feel that test you did was very important, and i'm trying to think around it and see if there's more we can learn from it, to help us all move forward


so i hope you will respect my concerns about the only scope trace i've seen so far on the Pyramid device

is that video which shows the scope trace the basis for saying that the o/p is AC?  or is there some other evidence?

you mention 'single' scope shot - did you mean the video as a whole, or is there a single photo somewhere?  please link, if the latter

you see, my concern is that the scope is not showing the WHOLE picture - what i see there is the 'ringing' part of a trace, immediately following a pulse

in fact, sometimes the scope trigger just catches more of the pulse (but not the whole) and you can see briefly a larger pk-pk (but narrower) damped wave at the LHS of the display

i don't believe that the scope is 'zoomed out' enough on the full waveform to show either the pulse, or the DC level on which the subsequent ringing sits

my concern is that the inventor must know this - and yet, unless you know different, this seems to be the only data we're being shown - why?

an AC signal can certainly be present - and useful - in some systems, even if there's no explicit rectification circuitry, but my strong feeling from seeing that trace is that the AC we're seeing there is superimposed on a DC component

it's not unreasonable FOR US to ask for a clear picture of what WE are being asked to accept - and recreate

it could be just a misunderstanding that we don't yet have a better picture of important features

but if the inventor persists in allowing ambiguous, or incomplete, information to remain, THEN my alarm bells start to ring!

i really hope that there IS more - and clearer - info available, OR that the inventor will provide such

hopefully you'll be able to put my mind at ease! 

you're doing a great job, as always - keep it up!
np


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