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Overunity Machines Forum



Water and gravity: look at this video

Started by andrea, July 03, 2011, 06:11:22 PM

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Low-Q

Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 04, 2011, 03:50:49 PM
The cappilary effect does not require an imbalance of temperature.
the evaporation and condensation cycle plays no part in this.

see here for a detailed explaination and mathematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action

this can be used to gain energy from the rising water, but to do this of great magnitude,.. you would need a 3 acre field covered with hundreds of thousands of tiny pipes, each rising an inch or two, then another layer repeated above, and stack them up to a substantial height, and a volume of water that could actually perform work.

there doesnt seem to be a maximum height, because altitude doesnt prevent the effect.

it works at sea level and even inside a submarine, it works on top of a mountain, or on a plane, or even out in space.
theres no power involved, its like water spreading across the surface of a table.
Its just a matter of the diameter of the pipe, compared to the fluidity of the liquid.
a thick oil can be made to capilate a wider pipe

as long as the pipe is shorter than the maximum liquid column that pipe can support with that liquid.. then it can drip out into a higher reservoire, and gain potential energy in the system.
Wouldn't the capillary effect also apply to the dripping tip of the pipe too - preventing the water to escape?


Vidar

sm0ky2

Quote from: Low-Q on March 16, 2015, 04:55:18 PM
Wouldn't the capillary effect also apply to the dripping tip of the pipe too - preventing the water to escape?


Vidar

Low-Q - in most situations you are right. For that reason, I do not think what is shown in the video will work with water. That may be why he used gasoline......

What is interesting, however, is that his description of the effect, does not concern capillary action at all.
The effect he references ( in the book Etidorpha) explains an effect of the specific gravity of liquids.
And this effect can be verified by experiment. simply place 2 liquids at different heights, and of different specific gravity, the "heavier" one above the lower one, and a differential pressure occurs. If a pathway exists, the heavier liquid has enough potential energy from gravity, to lift the "lighter" liquid to a height, even above that of the heavier liquid.

This effect occurs, both through a capillary, or through a much larger tube.

The guy in the video, describes the capillary, as providing a return path for the liquid, but what I did NOT see, was two liquids of different specific gravity, as would be required for this description to fit.  It seemed, to me, that the entire mass of both upper liquid and lower liquid, were the same gasoline.

Therefore (unless there is hoaxing involved), Either the size of capillary for gasoline, must be much larger than water would act through...
     OR it is an effect of Air Pressure, as one person above suggested.

It is my understanding that capillary action is a function of viscosity/surface tension/cohesion/adhesion, and NOT specific gravity, as explained by the videos author.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

After years of contemplation and study of several of my own devices and those of others:


I have come to two conclusions:


1) The operating principal is governed by the pressure (yes caused by the specific gravity of each fluid (gas or liquid or combination, as defined by Archimedean displacement).
1 fluid displacing the other, while subsequently increasing the molar count variable,
Resulting in a higher pressure below. Causing the water to be ejected above.
Even at a greater starting height.


2) There is a short and long version of the Etidorpha text.
And the long version goes into much greater detail concerning this device.


One of the purposes of the specific gravity layer and/or the substrate layer is to suffice as a filtration system, to prevent the exchange of the compressing fluid.
additionally there is a second substrate layer above the working chamber
(Being the chamber with the stored gravitational potential energy)


A complete scientific analysis was performed, the result of which accounts for 100% of the potential energy, the difference on energy owing to the drop in fluid level of the upper volume. This drop (across a relatively larger surface area) is equal to the e=mgh of the volume of water which transitions upwards.


Interestingly enough, this mathematical analysis does not account for an anomalous energy quotient.


That being contained in the momentum of the falling fluid.
Allowing for the maximum resolution of e = 2e (?)
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

To be clear, the upper chamber which is being dripped into:
Shares an open air volume with the chamber at the bottom.
The pressure equivalent simulating a proportionally smaller "atmospheric pressure" measurement.
in this way the compressing fluid acts as a spring.
As pressure builds up from displacement, the fluid is displaced.
The substrate keeps the compressible fluid (being less dense) from passing into the working chamber.
and the same for the compressible fluid in the working chamber itself.


As pressure builds up inside the lower chamber, it pushes on the entire surface area of the more dense fluid. Within the tube going up, the pressure only exerts on the small surface area of the tube.
This is where pressure and gravity differ.
Whereas gravity pulls equally on all of the mass of the fluid anywhere in the system.


In a single fluid system, all pressure is equal and there is no flow.


With 2 fluids of different specific gravity, one will always displace the other.
Add a dynamic change in pressure,
Now you have a flow. Much like what occurs inside mountains or elevated lands where we see a 'natural spring' pumping water out above ground.


In the natural case, and in most replicated devices, the compressible fluid is air.
And water is used as the heavier fluid. But this does not really matter.


The minute losses in these systems do not account for the gravitational momentum.
The "drop" in height, which subsequently also = mgh.


So you see, if we place a pelton wheel in the lower chamber to take the momentum from the falling water,
Archimedean displacement still occurs.


And we have =2e
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

There are many replications of pressure based 'heron's fountain' type devices
Physics classes do an excellent job of describing the energy in the system.


Now, combine this effect with a mechanism to extract the kinetic energy
from the water's momentum.


Example:


https://youtu.be/-KtFZMN7_Bw




Conclusion: maximum ideal case output is = 2e


This appears to be a mathematically sound model of overunity,
based on the two very different aspects of gravity.
Acceleration and Displacement
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.