Was Bessler for real?

[christo4_99]

Good luck with that ....

[johnny874]

Good luck with that ....

  Thanks.
I am going to talk to a wood worker tonight. I am hoping to have it built for under $500 U.S. dollars.
That is the price of not having a place to build 
There are reasons why I tone down the religious aspect of Bessler. He did seem to be quite religious.
But in my own life, people tell me I have the Lord in my life. This is why I was almost killed by a van and then had cancer and Bessler for icing on the cake. And all of this with no family or friends.
There was a time I did like pursuing Bessler but another poster wanted to put a religious spin on things by making false statements.
One clue that everyone has missed is the attached drawing. Those are not pendulums but are crosses. Bessler's way of saying have faith. The one in front of the wheel has a dual meaning. The other reference is to trigonometry. It is one reason why I perservered even though everyone seemed to be against any demonstration of what Bessler actually knew and did accomplish.
I did exchange a couple of e-mails with John Collins about Bessler using Orphyreus. John told me Bessler was questioned as to him believing he was like Orpheus to which he answered no. I told John he gave the correct answer. He is not like Orpheus but was like Hermes who invented the lyre which Orpheus made sing for a woman. Yep, there always seems to be a woman that motivates a man more than any God can, can you believe that ?
I can't wait to meet her 

[quantumtangles]

Gravity is a one trick pony. The only trick it can do is to convert potential energy to kinetic energy. But you always have to supply potential energy in the first place in order for this conversion process to happen.


Accordingly, as gravity is merely a converter, where does the potential energy (to run your PM pendulum machines) supposedly come from? How is gravity supposed to convert potential energy into kinetic energy if there is no continuous supply of potential energy to begin with?


How in the world are your machines supposed to work 'perpetually' if you do not 'perpetually' supply gravity with potential energy? Permit me to explain why these machines cannot possibly work. Imagine a water pipe. You can never get more water out of the bottom end of the water pipe than you supplied to the top end of it. An uncontroversial matter of fact if ever there was one. But when people think of energy, they get hopelessly confused, so I will clarify things in terms you can understand.


Giga-electron volts are used by the world's best physicists in CERN (at the Large Hadron Collider) as a unit of MASS. This is because of the mass/energy equivalence principle established by Einstein.


Accordingly, just as you cannot hope to get more water out of the bottom of a pipe than you pour into the top of it, so too, you can never get more energy of any sort out of any system than you supply to it in the first place.


And for the avoidance of doubt, this applies to 'PM' gravity devices as well. You must always supply potential energy to enable the force of gravity to take effect, but you can never get more energy out of a so called PM machine than you put into it in the first place. Even an ideal machine with 100% efficiency cannot exceed 100% efficiency for this reason.


If you still think PM machines are possible after reading this, you might seriously consider having an independently administered IQ test. Independently verified confirmation of a low IQ on your part may save you thousands of dollars in equipment and materials, and vast amounts of time.

[johnny874]

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think i,mdone with this,
hae heard the saint christo knows the answer,
my ignprant resppnxe would be bessler lnew a differebt applicationbof what we
know to b tru today, unvrtunately, it seems no one understands hydraulic theor,
typps bcause on a three inch scrern and need glsssex

[christo4_99]

@QT,

I suppose you believe all the other explanations of everything that science has to offer like how if you go far enough back in time ( which actually might not even exist ) that somehow everything came from nothing . The fact is there has never been a man like Bessler to make such a total and fearless search for the P.M. principle . He found it and you can only run your mouth about something that actually happened because he never sold it . Now while you run your mouth , although you never founded any scientific laws yourself ...I am planning on building the very device that Bessler displayed in his time . What loophole are you gonna jump through in the event that it does work ? Seriously ... you cannot disprove anything based on ignorance . You cannot say that something is impossible because YOU DON'T KNOW . And if I say I DO know then what ? I suppose no one can have more information than you do ? All learning and experimentation leads to nowhere ... is that the most of it ? Bessler really shredded his opponents . That's what you fail to see . They were silenced by a 54 day run in a castle . Ever notice there's no Wagner Critiques after Bessler moved into the castle . This kind of ignorance , the kind that is inherited and unfounded is what Bessler had a problem with and probably the real reason that he never sold his invention . I have thought about the law of coe and gravity being a conservative force and what a device like this would have to say about that .  I think that it comes down to whether or not a force can be created initially ...and I say it can . If the information that I have is wrong , and I really don't think it is , then I'll give up . But I will never listen to someone like you who doesn't realize that great men err too and then people follow them  making their errors the incontestable "truth" .  Many an inventor has surpassed a so called scientist in their achievement and many a (just one actually ) scientist has caused more damage by tinkering with fundamental particles than we can ever undo . As far as cern is concerned I dare to speculate that there is no higgs and things ( constituent parts of matter ) are infinitely smaller and infinitely undetectable ... just as there is no limit to how large something can be . Cern is a waste of money and time .

P.S. I just thought of a perfect way to end this argument or whatever it is . If you were to see a working device such as the one I am planning I know what you would say :"THAT'S CHEATING !!!