Was Bessler for real?

johnny874 · December 15, 2011, 10:13:33 AM

Quote from: christo4_99 on December 14, 2011, 02:10:39 PM
It has been said something like : The main mechanism was so simple that a carpenter's apprentice could build it after studying the inside of the wheel . It has also been stated something like : all this fuss over a simple tool that scholars of the day have seen but not in it's complete form . Taking these notes together it is apparent to me that they are related and describe a simple mechanism but not necessarily a simple construction .

P.S. I actually built something similar to the above drawing ... the problem is the weight of the water columns , it keeps the cylinders/bladders full at the bottom , you are better off trying to pump the fluid up the descending side of the wheel than you are expecting it to go straight up . If you are going to build a pump/wheel try putting your reserve fluid at the axle and pump it sideways to the overbalance whereby you will still have to pump up the fluid from the bottom . You see , I am not an empty husk as some would have you think . Most times , in our designs we create an abundance of problems for ourselves in addition to the PM problem .

Hi Christo,
It will work just fine. I have gone to school for Propulsion Engineering which is not accepted by the experts.
I believe my schooling and work experience are well suited for this. And because of this and my studies in mathematics, I am quite certain it is what everyone seeks.
What allows me to be so confident is the time I have spent reviewing this design. Unlike other people, I allowed math to be my friend in understanding the nuances of how this concept works. Without math, I would be like everyone else.
And what I love about it from an engineering stand point is the potential it has. Of course, Bessler did say he had it rotating at 60 rpm, not as fast as Alan's 66 rpm over balanced wheel ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhskB-0SjKI ), but it did power itself.
It is something that will demonstrate that all of Bessler's claims are valid. What does amaze me is the resistence I have met in here and at besslerwheel.com by people who claim to support Bessler.
By the way, if you notice, Mt 66 has an empty bladder on botton and the shaft connecting the top and bottom bladders appears to be a tube. and if anyone notices Mt 67, it seems to use the same mechanics.

Jim

johnny874 · December 15, 2011, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: AB Hammer on December 13, 2011, 12:23:10 PM
Jim

What I was referring to, was in private mail with Pese and it was about fluid and tubes. I never claimed what you have drawn was my idea either, as you are so quick to accuse. Flexible tubes was a suggestion from Pese. The basic concept but not the exact same design as in every little detail, as you have been pushing for a couple of years now. Since you keep bringing me up, I posted to let you know that I am very familiar with the basics of your wheel. The problems you have is reaction of weight placement counter acting, and fluid retention to keep from flow back. One of my very first ideas I had was fluid movement as well but it was hard tubes and pistons.

I am not here to fight with you or anybody, so lighten up. Here is my original from Aug. 2007. Another thing is I am no longer a direct part of Arrache either but am ready to work with, if the need is there.

PS When are you ever going to finish it so you can learn and move on? Talking don't build wheels. It's been 2 years on the same idea.

Alan,
Did I mention mercury ? I didn't.

Jim

AB Hammer · December 15, 2011, 08:17:42 PM

Jim

No you didn't mention mercury, I did, and for a reason you missed as usual. Mercury is a dense fluid/metal. You would be able to use a lot less amount/volume and your squeezing of your pumping would have less flow back problems due to its density and less amount/volume of fluids being moved. In a simple way to describe, you will use a lot less and have the same weight as well. If for some reason you are right, which I doubt but there is no proof until a wheel is built. It would allow a faster moving wheel.

Also! quit sending me personal messages.

Alan

johnny874 · December 16, 2011, 11:22:35 AM

Quote from: AB Hammer on December 15, 2011, 08:17:42 PM
Jim

No you didn't mention mercury, I did, and for a reason you missed as usual. Mercury is a dense fluid/metal. You would be able to use a lot less amount/volume and your squeezing of your pumping would have less flow back problems due to its density and less amount/volume of fluids being moved. In a simple way to describe, you will use a lot less and have the same weight as well. If for some reason you are right, which I doubt but there is no proof until a wheel is built. It would allow a faster moving wheel.

Also! quit sending me personal messages.

Alan

Alan,
I do not consider you as a credible builder. For me, this requires someone to build openly and explain what they are trying to accomplish before hand.
It would not take a build to understand why mercury is a poor idea. I have already explained this. I believe this is the reason I am building and you are not.
And as to what you posted (the design), it is your own invention which only you and Pese can patent. With what I am working on, it does stay on topic. It is about demonstrating what Bessler did.
By the way, I will throw the dog a bone to show I am not without conscience. The cost of mercury would have prevented Bessler from having used it. In this reply on yahoo answers, they say it is pretty cheap. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061217080620AA0ZmoY, Only $36 per 100 grams. If Bessler used 3 or 4 kilos of weight, we'd be talking $360 times 3 or 4. And this is what you and Pese would use. So I do have to ask, are you being serious ?
Myself as a builder, I do have to consider costs.

Jim

AB Hammer · December 16, 2011, 12:47:13 PM

Quote from: johnny874 on December 16, 2011, 11:22:35 AM

Alan,
I do not consider you as a credible builder. For me, this requires someone to build openly and explain what they are trying to accomplish before hand.

Jim

Jim

So you are the judge for credible builders as yourself an example.

So a credible builder has to give away all they know. Most would consider that person to be a fool, and Bessler was no fool.

I am so glad it is only your opinion.

As for Pese and I patenting? I wouldn't waste my money. I will only patent my running wheel or the team if a team? We will patent it as a team.

I haven't heard from Gustav Pese for a while. But I received a message that he was sick and in the hospital, not in good shape. I pray for his recovery.