Was Bessler for real?

[johnny874]

Jim

So you are the judge for credible builders as yourself an example. 

So a credible builder  has to give away all they know. Most would consider that person to be a fool, and Bessler was no fool.

I am so glad it is only your opinion.

As for Pese and I patenting? I wouldn't waste my money. I will only patent my running wheel or the team if a team? We will patent it as a team.

I haven't heard from Gustav Pese for a while. But I received a message that he was sick and in the hospital, not in good shape. I pray for his recovery.

  You're not to bright Alan. You are always telling other people to prove to you. It's a 2 way street. And with Bessler, what is the need to keep secrets ?
And considering Bessler was bitter until he died, and to keep his wheel a secret ? It seems he lost much by not making known what he had discovered. he also was not recognized for his understanding of engineering concepts. In some things, he was ahead of his time. But if he would have made his work known, he probably would have inspired many people with his engineering. But this did not happen, did it ?
And that is why I am working openly. I do not wish to make his same mistake.
And I also happen to think a lot of people might find it interesting what it takes to make a wheel such as his work. It seems you and your friends have no such desire or merely wish attention for how you percieve yourselves. Either way, I think you and your friends are the fools. Look at how few people post in besslerwheel any more. It seems experts like you do more damage than skeptics ever have.

                                                                        Jim

edited to add; maybe you're just not up to a decent challenge. It is a lot of work. But I believe it will be worth it in the end.
                       

[johnny874]

   @All,
I will be able to return to work Dec. 26th.
This will allow me to prepare for my build. Until then,
per Alan's request, I won't talk wheel. Since
I have a specific design I believe will prove Bessler's
claims are within reason, it would be difficult to consider
something else.
Of course, I happen to like discussing how what I believe
I have discovered is supported by various descriptions of
his wheel. I think it is something everyone who supports
Bessler like myself would find interesting. But Alan is one man
who believes people should do as he would or they are fools.
I'm glad I'm not him. And when I get started on the build, I'll
post it.
  And then everyone can decide for themselves what they think.

                                            Jim

[AB Hammer]

  You're not to bright Alan. You are always telling other people to prove to you. It's a 2 way street. And with Bessler, what is the need to keep secrets ?
And considering Bessler was bitter until he died, and to keep his wheel a secret ? It seems he lost much by not making known what he had discovered. he also was not recognized for his understanding of engineering concepts. In some things, he was ahead of his time. But if he would have made his work known, he probably would have inspired many people with his engineering. But this did not happen, did it ?
And that is why I am working openly. I do not wish to make his same mistake.
And I also happen to think a lot of people might find it interesting what it takes to make a wheel such as his work. It seems you and your friends have no such desire or merely wish attention for how you percieve yourselves. Either way, I think you and your friends are the fools. Look at how few people post in besslerwheel any more. It seems experts like you do more damage than skeptics ever have.

                                                                        Jim

edited to add; maybe you're just not up to a decent challenge. It is a lot of work. But I believe it will be worth it in the end.
                     

Jim and anyone reading

First off when I say show your proof it is to everyone, when they claim a running wheel. Jim like to twist this as we see in what he wrote. Then he praises himself. while trying to slander what I do.

[AB Hammer]

   @All,
I will be able to return to work Dec. 26th.
This will allow me to prepare for my build. Until then,
per Alan's request, I won't talk wheel. Since
I have a specific design I believe will prove Bessler's
claims are within reason, it would be difficult to consider
something else.
Of course, I happen to like discussing how what I believe
I have discovered is supported by various descriptions of
his wheel. I think it is something everyone who supports
Bessler like myself would find interesting. But Alan is one man
who believes people should do as he would or they are fools.
I'm glad I'm not him. And when I get started on the build, I'll
post it.
  And then everyone can decide for themselves what they think.

                                            Jim

Now here we have Jim saying a LIE about per so called my request. When I said that he can say what he wants. Just don't talk about me.  Now I see he is setting up his own private forum for the second time on this same project for years. Here is the string link where he is announcing it.

www.overunity.com/11787/my-forum/

I wonder what happened to/with the first one?


I have posted more of my build test in this one string than Jim has posted in the forums. I did misname it IMO. I should of added Test in front of the word wheel in the description.

www.overunity.com/9301/how-to-build-a-gravity-wheel/


Yes everyone will decide what they think, for it is their free will to do so.

Alan

[johnny874]

  Alan,
Since this is the gravity section of Stefan's forum, why don't we discuss how gravity effects engineering ?
Watched a show about the ancient Greeks. What was interesting is what they missed about the Parthenon. The 4 corner columns they thought were tilted inward only to give the illusion of straight lines from a distance.
What they missed was that when the load from the roof was placed on it, if it had a peak or elevated center, then it would push outward. Much like the peak of columns in mideival cathedrals. By having the cloumns tlilted inwards, this would cause the roof to have to lift them to spread outward and colapse.
Something mideival engineers missed. Of course this is before the time of the Romans.
With the cathedrals, some have had to have modern reenforcements to avoind interior walls from collapsing. They thought building them wider with more arches would have taken care of this problem. In the short term yes. But in the long term, stress wins out.
What they could have done was to make the archways thicker. This would have allowed the base of the arch, the point in which it moves in a straight line downward to have been supported by a tilted column. Then a facade could have been built on both sides of the archway and to the ceiling and have given the cathedrals a more dramatic look.
By the way, it was Germanic tribes who caused the fall of Rome. They realized by destroying their aqueducts that Rome would not have water for daily use much as we use it today. As a result, it's population of 1 million people could not be supported. As a result, Rome's population fell to 12,000 people. It's the little things people seem to take for granted.
And I have sent pese a pm wishing him well.

                                                                            Jim

edited to add; Alan, just becaue you own your own business and can afford expensive materials like Mercury to work with is no reason to brag about.
Myself, I work for a living. I don't think you should expect me to have deep pockets like you and your friends have.

                                                                            Jim