Was Bessler for real?

[johnny874]

Jim,  How fast would you have to pump the water in an wheel turning at 40 - 50 rpms in your design?  I challenge you to set up an experiment and show how long it would take to pump the water in your design.

  overtaker,
First I need to retrun to work. That might not be until the middle of January.
If my surgeon says I am not able to work, then all I can do is talk wheel.
Secondly, the first wheel using this concept would probably rotate slowly.
That would be okay as any idea would need to be developed. Even the build
design I have been working on for the last couple of years has been reviewed by myself many times. I have also done partial builds to learn what it does take to make a build like this work. And when I say work, I mean to do a quality build. Maybe something Bessler would be proud of.
I also know there are people other than AB Hammer and his friends and rlortie and his associates who might be interested in working with me on this. You see, the third things is I have found no place to work.
It seems credible builders would understand these things but both Ralph and Alan seem to have little understanding of them.
Until then, who knows, maybe they will leave me alone. Other wise, they would be preventing someone from being willing to work with me.
By the way, something they both missed, if mercury is used, because of it's density, it could be low in the pump. This would create a weak point which could cause the pump to break. If the force of the pump is spread over a greater area which light oil or water would require, then the stress on the pump itself would be over a greater area resulting in a better chance of it performing it's job over a long period of time.

                                                                              Jim

forgot the word area, oops. It's just that the surface pressure on a warped board needs to be considered.
                                                                               

[AB Hammer]

Jim

  How many times do I have to say that I don't want anything you are talking about. But you still keep bringing up my name and if I reply, you misrepresent what I say. All the information I have given you, is old well known information because that is what you are working with. I do not support that you have anything that can or will work for most of what you have come up with has all been tried before. Just slightly different in the details.

I remember about a year or so ago, I offered to build it for you, so you would see it won't work and shut up and try to move on to better ideas. But you rather attack me and claim I am trying to take it from you, or take some credit. You sometimes remind me of a drunk who won't let go his bottle for he thinks there is one last drop in it, thinking that someone else wants to take it from him. 

I don't care what you talk about as long as it is not about me. But I doubt you ever will be able to do that, for you seem to be so fixated on me.  I don't like it, but that is most likely the reason you do it.

I still wish you the best and if you really going to get operated on I wish you good heath.

Alan

PS I don't recommend anybody to build my #2 fluid design for I don't believe it will work.

[johnny874]

   Alan,
You have never offered to build this for me. And no, it has not been tried before.
What you and Ralph can not accept is that Bessler knew something that you two do not know.
It is as Bessler said, he wished to start a school. As for, you have offered to teach me but I refused.
I told you that I would let Bessler teach me. Both you and Ralph claim there is not a running wheel in his drawings. Yet Bessler said there was. You and Ralph both support the Keel Effect. Count the weights above and below the axle.
With Besslers Mt 67, http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Mt_067.gif
If a person considers that water or oil is being used, then most would consider it would rotate clockwise, even if the top and bottom postions were reversed. You know, the top empty. This is because there would be a volume of water or oil on one side of the wheel and none on the other. I am not sure how you and Ralph missed this. Would either of you care to explain ?
Also, Mt 66 shows pistons. They are usually known for pumping and have what is called positive displacement. This is if either of you have any experience working with pumps. Doubt either of you do.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Mt_066.gif
And did either of you notice those long levers ? If the pump is linked in the middle of the lever, then it is a 2:1 ratio. Pretty simple if you ask me. And theoretically, this could work. Actually, as crude as it is, if it rotated slow enough to allow the pumping of water or oil from bottom to top in succession, it would work. But Alan and Ralph, as the 2 of you have often stated, there is not a working wheel in Bessler's drawings.
I disagree with both of you. I believe there is much to learn from his drawings. This is why I have continued working while you 2 try to discredit me.
But since I am in opposition to the both of you, you 2 can discredit what I just posted about 2 of Bessler's drawings that are next to each other. There are other drawings which demonstrate a more efficient approach. But what Bessler wanted was someone willing to learn from his work. After all, if someone learned from him, then they would understand how his directions lead to his working wheel.
But I believe to learn from someone else requires patience. and while I thought I have been impatient, I haven't been. I have been willing to take the time necessary to understand his work.
 
                                                                                                                                                     Jim
                             

[AB Hammer]

Jim

I am not going to try to show where I said that, for you had your P-Motion strings deleted.

I never said I would be your teacher but I did say I teach armoring.

The rest is just your imagination of the meaning of what you read.

What is funny is, you keep saying I don't believe in Bessler. You must be out of your mind for I wouldn't be doing this as long as I have if I didn't.

I believe Bessler did it. I don't believe you have any idea, but you seem to be trying to be the teacher. 

My lunch is over and I have to get back to work.

[christo4_99]

It has been said something like : The main mechanism was so simple that a carpenter's apprentice could build it after studying the inside of the wheel . It has also been stated something like : all this fuss over a simple tool that scholars of the day have seen but not in it's complete form . Taking these notes together it is apparent to me that they are related and describe a simple mechanism but not necessarily a simple construction .

P.S. I actually built something similar to the above drawing ... the problem is the weight of the water columns , it keeps the cylinders/bladders full at the bottom , you are better off trying to pump the fluid up the descending side of the wheel than you are expecting it to go straight up . If you are going to build a pump/wheel try putting your reserve fluid at the axle and pump it sideways to the overbalance whereby you will still have to pump up the fluid from the bottom . You see , I am not an empty husk as some would have you think . Most times , in our designs we create an abundance of problems for ourselves in addition to the PM problem .