PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS

[a.king21]

I hate to say this Bill but you seem to be stuck in a quantum mili-Loop.  In your thread on the Peltiers you were quoting around 3700 watts.  Actual as was pointed out by a number of sharp eyed members was 3.8 watts.  So you were getting roughly 1/1000th of what you first said.  Now you are saying .145 watts (or 145 milliwatts)  but I'm sorry I have to trust the PhD's calcs on this he's saying 150 microwatts or 0.150 milliwatts which is again 1/1000th of what you said.  The Quantum mili-Loop has you like the Matrix had Neo at the start.      Hopefully you'll escape the QmL.

Exactly what I was thinking.  This business sounds very much like John Hutchison's open source crystal free energy battery system. Each battery delivers about 1 milliwatt and you need a thousand to get a measly watt.

[billmehess]

Then why can I light a 2.1 volt 25 ma LED

current voltage is 2.525 volts under the load of the LED it drops and maintains at 2.362 volts
Its 9:50 pm in Oregon I will run it all night and check the voltage, which also has been going up all day.

Guys, I real appreciate all your help here, you are all the best!
Bill

[a.king21]

Led data sheets show that the luminosity of an led varies with amp draw. You can light an led from under a milliamp up to it's maximum and the brightness will vary accordingly. So it all depends on how bright the led is. The graphs are usually a straight line indicating that the brightness is directly proportional to the amp draw. You can also light up an led from a crystal radio set.That is why you have been encouraged to light up an incandescent light. Or you could drive a small electric motor or fan. That's real power.
Good luck.

[billmehess]

Ok lets run the numbers

joule seeker says the wattage is 150 mw or .000015
voltage is 2.5 volts

we know that

wattage= voltage x amperage

then
.000015=2.5v(amps)

voltage divided into watts gives us a amperage of .000006 or 6 microamps. Google says that a LED can use very low amperage, with its norm being 20-25 ma. And on the low side 1 ma to 2 ma.
What am I missing here?
But the LED is lighting looks like real world application to me. And this is with only 3 modules that have been under a load for 11 hours and after the load (60000 mf cap.) was removed continued to raise in value.
My hat is off to all your really bright people out there so please explain how or why this is happening
Bill

[Pirate88179]

Bill:


LED's are funny things.  In my early experiments, it used to take like you said, 20-25 mA's to light up each one.  But, in working with the joule thief circuit, we found that they will also light on mostly volts and/or frequency.  This is how I was able to light over 400 leds from my earth battery and also from a single AA battery.  If you do the math (which I suck at) those 400 leds should not light up at all from my input.  But what we had going for us was high voltage/high frequency.  I hope this helps a little bit.

Great work man, keep it up.

Bill