Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[CRANKYpants]

A sincere man / experimenter asking for Help
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8683-bitoroid-transformer-project-platform.html
Chet

HEY CHET,

PLEASE DEFINE "SINCERE" - IS THAT A NEW CONCEPT? 

AT ANY RATE I ALREADY SPOKE TO THAT CHAP (PLEASE SEE BELOW).
I THINK HIS PROBLEM IS HIS CORE CHOICE.

CHEERS
T


Dear Rayongerbil,

Really nice work!
Try to focus on just two things at this point;

1)
Getting a NEUTRAL reaction in your Primary when the two Secondaries are placed On-Load. Or even a current drop as Overunityguide has shown.

2)
Getting a NEUTRAL Power Factor SHIFT from No-Load to On-Load.

If you don't have a scope then you can deduce a PF drop if your current drops from No-Load to On-Load.

Also I would try to stick with just AC IN with pure resistive loads at your earlyish stage.
This is the worst case for a Secondary load and should show the most reaction in your Primary if there is any...

Congratulations on your work!
BTW if you aren't going to speak can we get annotations at least so we (the viewer) don't have to make assumptions about what is going on?

Cheers
Thane

Subject: BiToroid Replication
Date: 09/27/11

Message: This is my replication of your transformer technology utilizing black iron oxide primary core insulation and er70s mig welding wire cores. Dual 555 pulsewidth modulator, 20ohms into primary and 20ohms on load. The iron oxide is not letting a whole lot through... it seems to need an upgrade.

Primary - 5.3mH, 1.8ohm
Secondaries - 4.2mH, 2.1ohm

Secondary coils connected in parallel onto fullwave bridge with 470uf el capacitor.

[CRANKYpants]

Hi Thane,

Are you sure about this?
Some time ago I did a comparison by using a newly bought inductance-meter and i couldn't see any difference.Its obvious that I have to redo some testing and thinking on this stuff.
Maybe You could elaborate on this?

/Hob

DEAR HOB,

RULE #1 - DON'T THINK!

RULE #2 - DON'T MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS, PRE-CALCULATIONS, HYPOTHESISING
THIS WILL ONLY SEND YOU DOWN THE WRONG PATH.

RULE #3 - JUST DO...
BASE EVERYTHING ON EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE - STUFF YOU CAN SEE RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES.
LET THE MATH AND METERING SORT ITSELF OUT LATER ON.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS. THE COILS IN THIS PUPPY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wleUlcMK0 USES 3 OHM COILS AND THEY BEGIN TO CAUSE ACCELERATION AT ABOUT 500 RPM WHEN SHORTED.

WHEN I STARTED OUT WE USED COILS JUST LIKE OVERUNITY USES BIG ASS 150 - 300 OHMERS. BUT THEY WERE NOT REALISTIC AT PRODUCING POWER - NOW WE SACRIFICE A LITTLE ACCELERATION FOR MORE ELECTRICAL POWER FOR THE "REAL" WORLD.

RULE #4 DON'T GO INTO THE BOARDS AGAINST A SWEDE! 

CHEERS
T

[Overunityguide]

Hi Thane,
Are you sure about this?
Some time ago I did a comparison by using a newly bought inductance-meter and i couldn't see any difference.Its obvious that I have to redo some testing and thinking on this stuff.
Maybe You could elaborate on this?
/Hob

@nilrehob about Bi-Filar coils:

Please read the information in the document in the link provided below...
In this document you will find: a Special Case of Voltage Gain in Bi-Filar coils, which shows the differences between only measuring the inductance and then calculate the voltage gain and between hooking up the same coil to a good Network Analyzer... It shows a gain of 929.3% !

So nilrehob please have a look at the following document, and forget your LCR metered values!

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/Gruz/forum_matrix.ru/5/VOLTGN.pdf

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

[nilrehob]

Thane & Overunityguide,
Thanks, I'll look into it agan, different angle this time!

/Hob

[teslaalset]

Thane & Overunityguide,
Thanks, I'll look into it agan, different angle this time!

/Hob

Nilrehob,

Another thing to keep in mind is how to actually connect a bifilar coil.
This can be done in a few different ways.
For maximum capacity one should use the 'tesla coil way'.
I described this elsewhere : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.75 , reply #88
You can see the estimated increase in capacitance is hugely dependant on the way a bifilar coil is actually 'wired', especially when there is a significant number of windings.

p.s. this is not meant as a pancake coil only. It is applicable for any wired coil.