Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[MileHigh]

Synchro1:

That went O.U.

I am not sure if you have have discussed your setups and associated clips on the forum but it would be prudent to do so.  You make a couple of references t your setups giving you over unity without ever questioning the results or trying alternative measurements.  For example, I think that you mentioned that your current measurement went to zero when one of your rotors doubled its RPM.  Since you are talking about very high RPM speeds, it very possible that the AC current was too high in frequency for your meter to measure properly.  Therefore the meter showed zero current simply because it was unable to measure the signal.

Linear Tesla output coil Lenz poleshift retarding permanent diametric magnet core, retro pulse propulsion overunity.

I have a challenge for you.  Take your setup and assuming that you have an oscilloscope measure the all of the voltages and currents associated with your setup, both on the input side and the output side.  Take scope shots or even better construct a timing diagram on paper, and then explain the voltage and current waveforms and and the timing relationships between them and relate the measurements back to your setup.

For example, when you make a change to your setup the current consumption might drop and the RPM might increase.  So what is really happening here?  If you understand all of the voltages and currents in the setup before you make the change, and then go through the whole process of understanding the voltages and currents after you make the change, you should be able to figure out exactly why the rotor speeds up.

In other words, you need to make the leap from observing a change in your setup and theorizing the reason for the change, to actually making all of the measurements and actually explaining why the change happened.  It's not easy and it's hard work.  But at the end of the day you get the satisfaction of truly understanding what you are observing and being able to explain it to your peers.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

Synchro1:

I am not sure if you have have discussed your setups and associated clips on the forum but it would be prudent to do so.  You make a couple of references t your setups giving you over unity without ever questioning the results or trying alternative measurements.  For example, I think that you mentioned that your current measurement went to zero when one of your rotors doubled its RPM.  Since you are talking about very high RPM speeds, it very possible that the AC current was too high in frequency for your meter to measure properly.  Therefore the meter showed zero current simply because it was unable to measure the signal.

I have a challenge for you.  Take your setup and assuming that you have an oscilloscope measure the all of the voltages and currents associated with your setup, both on the input side and the output side.  Take scope shots or even better construct a timing diagram on paper, and then explain the voltage and current waveforms and and the timing relationships between them and relate the measurements back to your setup.

For example, when you make a change to your setup the current consumption might drop and the RPM might increase.  So what is really happening here?  If you understand all of the voltages and currents in the setup before you make the change, and then go through the whole process of understanding the voltages and currents after you make the change, you should be able to figure out exactly why the rotor speeds up.

In other words, you need to make the leap from observing a change in your setup and theorizing the reason for the change, to actually making all of the measurements and actually explaining why the change happened.  It's not easy and it's hard work.  But at the end of the day you get the satisfaction of truly understanding what you are observing and being able to explain it to your peers.

MileHigh

You sure cut a pile of work out for me. How about you trying it? I don't have access to that kind of equipment. It would help if JLN labs tried it for us. Maybe I'll email Jean Louis and ask him if he would subject a replication to strict standards of scientific scrutiny.

[synchro1]

@MileHigh,


I just finished emailing JLN a hyperlink to the thread. Jean Louis has been kind enough to reply to my email in the past. He's currently set up to run this kind of experiment. Maybe he can help Leapfrog this discovery to the forefront of cutting edge science where it belongs.

[MileHigh]

You sure cut a pile of work out for me. How about you trying it?

I am just giving you some advice on how to get more out of what you are doing.  It's up to you if you want to understand your setups fully or not.

Sorry, I am not making any claims or doing any tests myself.  The old line that "you can't make any statements or comments unless you build yourself" is a false claim.  I have tons of bench experience and even made measurements on motors a long time ago.  So I am offering you my advice based on real-world experience.

For example, you state, "The output coil needs a load to generate Lenz delay propulsion."  If I understand what you are stating you mean that as the rotor magnet leaves the output coil, the output coil may push on the rotor to make it turn faster.  It may be true that there is a push from the output coil like you state.  The question that you are not asking yourself is where the push came from.  In all likelihood, the output coil does three things when the rotor magnet passes it.  1) It gets energy induced into it when the magnet is approaching.  This causes classic Lenz drag on the rotor and slows it down.  2)  The energy induced in the coil causes a push on the rotor when the magnet is moving away.  3)  Since the output coil is driving a load, by definition it is causing Lenz drag on the motor.  Then net result from all three components is a Lenz drag on the rotor.

I am just throwing some ideas at you for you to think about.  The real answer to these questions is to analyze the dynamics of your motor with your scope.  You put some current sensing resistors in different places and then measure the voltages and currents and relate that back to the angular displacement of the rotor and the magnets passing by the output coils.

I don't have the answers for you, I am just telling you what you should consider doing if you want to find the answers for yourself.  If you produced a timing diagram that tracked the rotor position, the supply voltages and currents, the output coil voltages and currents, etc, then you should be able to figure out for yourself if I am on the right track (or not) for the three output coil effects that I am talking about above.  Certainly there is no "magic push" from an output coil.  If the output coil gives a push to the rotor then the energy for that push has to come from somewhere.  A properly done timing diagram should reveal all of that to you if you know how to interpret the waveforms.

I just did a Google image search on "pulse motor timing diagram."  Try it yourself and you will see what I am talking about.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

@MilgHigh,


You try it! There is no Lenz drag, because the rotor has two poles, or n-s as in JLN'S 18 magnet alternator. The approaching magnet starts a pole shift in the bifilar. It's so slow, it's on the other side of TDC when it appears.

You have no right to say I'm wrong with no proof. Break down for the pocket change cost for a few magnets and prove me wrong. I'm telling it putt putt's the rotor!