Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[CRANKYpants]

Hello Everyone,

The coils employed in this prototype are 4.5 ohms, 16 gauge bi-filar wound series connected with M1 core laminations and create acceleration at 1800 RPM with a 10 ohm light bulb. Each coil can produce 50 Watts or more and the magnets are 90 lb pulling weight. They create so much torque and acceleration that two set screws on each rotor were not enough to keep them secured to the drive shaft and they had to be returned to the machinist to have key-ways installed. Even now the air gap on each side is about 1/2 an inch. When properly balanced with three rotors and offset cores the cogging torque is virtually zero and the core "cost" was very low - which is reduced as speed increases anyway and is NOT an issue.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins?feature=mhee#p/u/4/u3gVfltiO-E

I will post the test data when I find it to end this discussion (which is a waste of time BTW) because all generators have coils and cores with some hysterisis losses inherent in them but not all generators accelerate when a load is applied which is the REAL issue.

Cheers
Thane

[baroutologos]

Dear Thane,

We have said it before, we say it again. Those kind of tests are more than an optical illusion rather than scientific ones demonstrating a principle.

Besides the coils, ohm-age, magnets, flux, frequencies and inductancies, motor INPUT and output figures of a VERY efficiency motor have to be taken into consideration and compare net values.

In my eyes, the only "odd" phenomenon" its the magnetic cogging that stops during the application of a current to the working coil, either in "accelarating or decelarating mode"b (iron cores do that in contrary to ferrites). You claim, cogging is not an issue here. I am afraid is not so.

May i sugest,
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Since you have a nice laboratory over there, in your next tests to employ ultra high efficiency motors for the specific rpm as high eff. PMDC motors controlled by a variac or the rotoverter principle (more elaborate).

Try to do that, map the exact imput vs output figures and then we discuss again the phenomenon you suggest again and again.

friendly regards,

[CRANKYpants]

Dear Thane,

You claim, cogging is not an issue here. I am afraid is not so.

May i suggest,...................

May I suggest blah, blah, blah...

I claim that... your claim that my claim IS a claim is not a correct claim . 

I ceased making claims (which are a waste of time) many years ago and started making statements of fact based on empirical evidence which can be shown and repeated.

Cogging torque is not an issue in a PM generator which is correctly balanced - this [fact] is a well established fact.

Cogging torque is not an issue because the generator can be started as a motor and then once up to speed the individual motor coils can be converted over to generator coils and NO EXTERNAL prime mover is required. THIS [fact] HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED ON MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins

Also [fact] the output from a "generator" coil can be fed into a "motor" coil and acceleration can be maintained.

May I suggest that everyone who is bugging Overunityguide to "do this and do that" simply be quiet and watch his progression (which is perfect BTW) and do the same yourself (OR DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE COMMENTING) and share actual [factual] RESULTS not useless statements which have no basis in reality what so ever and take baroutologos earlier advice...Reply #4701 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.4695 on: April 23, 2009, 08:51:07 AM

I saw your youtube videos Thane.

I think that is all the time we were talking about! Excellent done. Nothing more to say. Who has eyes sees and mind understands. baroutologos

May I also suggest that everyone take Einstein's advice, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

Cheers
Thane

[Jack Noskills]

I am not upto speed with this motor stuff but I want to ask a question.

Tesla used iron shield in one of his trafo designs to delay magnetic field and then he used the delayed field in create more aiding EMF to secondary.

It occurred to me would shielding also work with electric motors ? Some iron shield between motor coil and magnet would change the drag to pull ? Hmm, maybe this is already seen here.

[baroutologos]

Manner up Thane.

all you are talking about is plain BS. How much is it? 3, 4 ,5 years now? What you have shown? Puzzles for dummies? Lol
If there was any potential in your Potential company, it would have been manifested by now. What is it? Oil barons do not let you? lol

At best keep dreamning for your self. DO not BS-ing other naive indiciduals to the electric art.