Lifting 660 grams with 110.

[nicbordeaux]

Correct observation, I'm familiar with peq, as he now haunts bessler wheel forum. We've had some discussion about all this. His math is way over my head, but the results tend to go his way. I think that the way to achieve great height of the launched mass is a non-circular wheel because it's the way the tether is constrained which dictates the energy transfer/constraint of trajectory. Also, I've tested deflector boards to get the bouncy ball earlier into a strictly vertical path, and the results are surprising. Right now, part of the plan is to use the device discussed in this thread to move the wheel which flings. But only part, there are other interesting and less sociopath thing to do than put dents in the neighbour's van, shoot a bouncy ball at his window, and bust tiles on his roof. A nice understanding guy but he has reached the end of his tether as far as having his property damaged by superballs goes ...

Hi nic,

concerning your video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9igFhQnP38

very similar stuff here by user pequaide. I would suggest you start reading it from the beginning. I was involved in the discussion for some time.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1995.0

You are correct with your observation about the ball stopping and going in reverse. This happens when the tether is streched at its full length. This is what pequaide called the total impuls-transfer from the wheel to the fly-away-mass so that the flywheel will stop turning for a brief moment before the reversal action takes place.
If you increase the weigth of the ball and find the right ratio to the weight of the wheel.

Now, if you increase the weigth of the ball stepwise you will experience at some point a full-stop of the wheel before the reverse action occurs.

Impuls-transfer speeds up the ball-weight to such a degree that you have be very careful.
Pequaide mentioned that when the wheel stops, the balls - he was using steelballs - carry all the velocity and energy is increased.

Watch the window and thf roof of your neighbor :-) The tether might not withstand these forces.

Regards

Kator01

[Kator01]

Hello nic,

may I introduce to you the drop-tower ZARM in Bremen ( germany ) ?

This vid here is to understand the background of the scene. Only the very rich industry can pay for drop-experiments in ZARM where they have just 5 seconds free of a gravity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKzcFR5fSY


Now the ungarian Prof. Szasz was granted one single opprtunity for an experimentum crucis in which he used small pucs of different materials with identical weight

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkNjvCmsWOU


Drop Experiment at the University of Bremen (ZARM) 06/21/2004. EXPERIMENTUM
CRUCIS

The experiment shows the inside of an (aluminium-) drop caspule in the drop
tower (110 m) of ZARM. During the fall of the test bodies (Lithium

• ,
  Beryllium [Be], Bor , Carbon [C], Aluminium [Al], Iron [Fe], Plumb [Pb])
  you can see the different accelerations between the elements.
  
  But the accepted physics says that these bodies should all have the same
  acceleration!
  
  The drop experiment is the falsification of the UFF, of Galilei's law. What
  causes the gravitation:
  
  Szász has discovered the elementary gravitational charges g(k) of the four
  stable particles electron, positron, proton and elton (so called
  'antiproton') as the second fundamental physical property of the four
  elementary particles.
  
  What is a positron (p)? It is a stable particle with elementary electric
  charge q(p) = + q and with elementary gravitational charge g(p) = + g m(e).
  The electron has the elementary gravitational charge g(e) = - g m(e). The
  elementary masses of electron and proton m(e) and m(P) are to be used in
  order to calculate the masses of all bodies. The universal gravitational
  constant is G(grav.) = g^2/4pi.
  
  Both interactions between the particles propagate with c and the space-time
  structure has a Minkowski metric.
  
  But the localisation and the velocity of the particles are never
  determinable exactly.
  
  The new Law of Fall, the acceleration depends on the isotop composition,
  founds a NEW PHYSICS.
  
  I inform you that a thread in Physics Forum was dispensed in which the
  missed experimental verification of UFF in physics was discussed.
  
  ttp://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?go=81064567&t=9173847&token=b491233a1798a4b87e15eb5a682313ed
  
  
  ***********
  
  Now what if you use an iron-wheel-Pendulum with the additional excenter-mass ( also iron)  and lift 700 gr of lead ( Pb)  ?
  
  Free falling inert mass is different form heavy mass-weight, resting on the ground and may be be lifted higher than normal to m x g x h
  
  Enjoy it. This is something huge.
  
  Kator01
  
  
  
  

[nicbordeaux]

Thx, that is interesting, though doubt it can be made used of in the scale we build our "PM" devices on. But who knows, worth a try.

Here's an experiment I've done, results are very conclusive. At end of experiment a lot more water is raised than mass losses height when all has subsided and the machine is at start position once again, ready to relaunch. Now looking at less open to discussion raising of solids, and will try different materials ;-)

Nick

ps: sorry for the ersatz German... The next drawing should be the mass raised from the water. Not necessary. Used a tuna tin filled with water and sealed, dropped into and lifted from a tin of tomatoes... by the device. The displacement is just as you'd expect, and the raised water is in the tray.

[Kator01]

Hello Nic,

very good.. and you are really funny with this mix-max of languages
Now how can one stabelize a continous operation of this pendulum so that it does not do chaotic ?
Question : In the vids before lifted weigth was only under load of gravity. How does the pendulum behave, if there is an addition work-load attached lik you di it with pumping up water ?

Kator01

[nicbordeaux]

Hi Kator,

The device is not designed for continuous operation, it's a "one shot" with an aim to proving that raise of com is possible with gravity power (yes, heresy . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UXG2x18L7E shows the thing more or less tuned so that the weight is at maximum on the return stroke after release. it doesn't show raise of height of overall system mass. That will be another vid. This simple incarnation without any weights could maybe be associated with the weighted device ?

The previos vids show "unloaded" as the load is part of the system. It does not go chaotic, there are as you'd expect two "cycles" or manifestation of energy : one the pendulum swings, two the ke shifts to the wheel which oscillates back and forth through about 150°, the pendulum wheel stops swinging and the energy is manifest as increased swing of the arm. After about three of these cycles, entropy kills it. Without the weights, it will run longer of course, and the behavior will show double pendulum type "unpredictability".

When you replace the billiard ball or steel weights with a modified tuna can that has a relative density of 1.2 (low) and let that sink into a water filled can of peas you have disposed of (canned peas are disgusting, even the cats won't eat them) there is a braking effect: if the can is on the left and you have a balancing weight on the right, the right hand weight starts thinking it is stronger so it whips the tuna piston can from the water. Therefore, I used just one weight (the tuna can) under a billiard ball weight. It makes getting the "piston" into the cylinder a bit hit and miss, but it works. Optimization would be a rigid linkage from the "billiard ball" weight to the 1.2 density can, and a much much larger can, as big as the system will handle, and that will depend on the weight and ength of the pendulum arm. Or a compression spring on the other side for the opposing weight to work against and stop it mucking about with the piston can.

So, it is all very logical, no black magic.

The reason for these dumb devices ? If you are going to try for PM, it seems normal to first prove that you can get greater pe at end of cycle than start. Then you need to find a way of getting that "extra pe" in the right place to relaunch the system if that is at all possible.

Working on one which locks itself in the "high" position after the first swing out (release 3, capture 9). The thing works great, now it's a question of seeing how much raise in com can be had by varying weights, dia, lengths etc. 

Hello Nic,

very good.. and you are really funny with this mix-max of languages
Now how can one stabelize a continous operation of this pendulum so that it does not do chaotic ?
Question : In the vids before lifted weigth was only under load of gravity. How does the pendulum behave, if there is an addition work-load attached lik you di it with pumping up water ?

Kator01