Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[ibpointless2]

I also just wated to point out that this is a reference for paramagnatism of oxygen:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGEev8qulA&feature=related

Great video!


oxygen is attracted to magnets.


Water is attracted to electricity. [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWQ-r1LYXY[/size]


Water is repelled by magnets. [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyqOTJOJSoU[/size]


I ran some experiment a month ago where i was testing to see if a magnetic field would help keep the anode from corroding. The anode was magnetic so I stuck a magnet to it in hopes that a magnetic field would push away the oxygen. I had a control cell with the same setup but lacking a magnet. The final result was that both still corroded but the one with the magnet corroded less.

[NickZ]

  @Ib2, and all:
   The problem also with the other forum is that some of this research is being done with a commercial gain in mind, at least ultimately. So, if what you are doing is not adding to their particular interests, you get discarded like an old shoe.  At first my carbon cells were dismissed, as not being of interest to the dry cell project based on salts ( called crystals cells), along with my cement cells, which I still use daily, over a year later.  And now as carbon is on top of the list, things are starting to change.
I see that the carbon is fine, and will last a long time, and does not contaminate, as I had thought in my cells, but what happens is, it just drys out. You wet it and like in Plengo's cell, thay just come back to life.  But corrosion is still a big big factor in open salt cells, and always will be, even with the semiconductor protective layer. This still needs to be looked into. The only thing that will resist salts and acids is carbon.
   The Cement Cells when properly made gave 60 to 70 mAs, each cell.  That is more than all my dry carbon cells output altogether.  There are several tricks to how to make them so they will last and keep producing. Most people that have made just one or two of them will not know about it.  I worked on them for several months. Their higher impedance factor is due to the wetness content of the cement electrolyte. Which does hold some moisture sealed inside, similar to how salts hold their water. As this water drys out, the cells output will also drop.  This is true with ALMOST all cells.  But, I still feel that there is a way to use water, without actually using it up, similar to how the dry glue cells works, and the metals stay clean and shinny, while still putting out some juice. In fact obtaining most any voltage needed, but with no current. But, the question remains, do we absolutely have to have current?  Maybe not.  Time will tell with that aspect also.

     

[jbignes5]

 Ok. So now you are seeing water is the vehicle we need here. But we need not bulk water but crystalline water. Bulk water is bulk because of saturation of oxygen in it not because it is water. think about the process of crystal building and you will see that oxygen has little to do with the process and for the most part oxygen gets pushed out of the crystal. This changes the water into crystalline water because there is little room for oxygen. It seems to be crystallized but it is only very organized. I can't stress that enough.


Nothing in our environment has no oxygen and nothing in our world is perfectly sealed from oxygen but there are ways to remove the oxygen from the device after it is done being formed (crystallized).


Electrolysis happens if you try to buffer the voltage (in series). Think of the regular batteries we use. In series they add their voltage together. So we have 1.5+1.5+1.5+1.5 each one of these cells see's 4.5 volts more then it holds from each end. That is the reason for electrolysis in these batteries. You could think of the batteries as pressure pumps. each capable of pushing 1.5 times it's own weight. Putting them together changes the acceleration of the energy raising it's voltage potential and not changing it's charge ability. This process I believe in our batteries will kill them in no time. Like you said it will have electrolysis the water will break down into hydrogen and oxygen and do two things. The oxygen attacks the electrodes and the hydrogen floats away.


There will have to be certain steps to build these simple cells.


1. The metals must be treated to protect against oxygen.
2. The cells must be sealed to prevent leakage of the crystalline water if the cell goes into electrolysis mode or the byproducts of electrolysis.
3. The plates should be encompassing, meaning it surrounds the center electrode, much like a Leyden jar (joe cells shown the same potential).
4. After the cell is made and before it is sealed, mineral oil should be fed to the cell to seal it further. <-this I have not checked on yet. This mineral oil should be doped with a conducting additive to allow an electrolyte type conduction. <-haven't been tested yet, might not work.



Since water is weakly repelling a magnetic field and oxygen attracts the magnetic field, I would think this helps set up channels for the energy to flow in a cell like this. Water has a bismuth like effect. It reflects the magnetic field (via induction, my best guess).


Another thing is lead acid batteries don't only have acid in them. They have water as well. I think this water is used as a static generator as it hits the positive plates of the battery. The water is pushed into the plate and that causes a rubbing of the water over the crystalline structure of the lead. This imparts a voltage to the plate and it's current ability is merely how well it can maintain the voltage from the rubbing of the water over the plates. The electrolyte is merely the activator to allow conduction of voltage through the battery. When the battery gets a charge it then goes through an electrolysis phase. This is a destructive phase for the battery because it depletes it's water in that process, hence the reason for replacing the water with distilled water<-Quasi crystalline water. There is not much oxygen in distilled water.




So water has been the key all along. We mistook what water is really. It is why life needs water. It is a vehicle for oxygen which can be very energetic. It is also why water is sooooo plentiful around very big energetic channels. Think of the biggest water deposit ever and you have to start looking at quasars. Water is merely the vehicle. When the energy gets stripped off of waters oxygen it tends to condense into huge clouds. These clouds are even in outer space. [size=78%]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/quasar-largest-water-reservoir-_n_908487.html[/size]


To understand all of this we must understand what water is and how we can use it for unlimited energy. It is highly recyclable vehicle for oxygen and I suppose it is here because we have a very energetic center to our world, much like a quasar. Even the sun outputs water every second of every day. If we think about space as being a fluidic medium then we can understand how this process works. Planets are merely the collections of matter in a fluidic medium. That matter is bound to a certain potential when measured from space to earth. Space has very little charge to it because it is at it's lowest charge level. and charges like to bunch up. If we understand that energy likes to form networks we finally start to get a picture of these flows of charges. Highly organized and all connected in a dynamic network. The sun is merely a leaky conduit of this network and so are the planets that surround that sun. I suspect we are living through induced energy from this leak. The leak is only small and affords connection to the leak by presenting a potential for matter to cling to. This leak is only the catalyst for the inductive connection, it is not true conduction. I assume when conduction happens you get a supernova. Remember water is is repelled by magnetic fields and the sun has a huge magnetic event happening. It is the same as the quasar but on a much larger scale. So water as the vehicle ferries charges through the network and when it looses it's charge gets repelled away from the sun or quasar. This water I suspect is a result of the energy being sucked out of whatever waters base is. When that happens it turns to the water we know. In it's natural form it is only a vehicle with little interaction with matter, in fact we can not see it because it's density is so very extreme. It weakly repels even it's own kind and that is what gives water it's surface qualities. Water is a network when it is pure, like crystalline water. As soon as you add impurities it changes the network of the water and you get bulk water. Semi organized.


I know this has turned into a diatribe but I thought it was important to give you more information to see this clearly.

[ibpointless2]

Here is a video of my crystal cell that does not need water added to it to keep it alive. Its been running for over 2 months now without a drop of water added to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_islZjfjwk


Its been sealed up twice with electrical tape to protect it from the outside air. It just sits in a corner powering a LCD clock. The key to this cell is allowing the separator  to dry before putting the magnesium on.


The copper tube is wrapped in notebook paper. I put water on the notebook paper and then i rub Epsom salt and salt substitute into the paper. When the paper is wet it is transparent but when the water is gone its white again. I allow it to dry for about two days and then i wrap the magnesium around the dry paper and put electrical tape on it to apply pressure and to protect the cell. 


What I like about this cell is that it doesn't need water constantly added to it to keep it going.

[jbignes5]

Nick I built you carbon battery and it did eat itself up. White puffs are all around the outside of the can and I bet it has eaten a good portion of the aluminum.


On another note the aluminum that I treated with borax beforew putting it in a glass jar and the aluminum looks perfectly fine. It was my first attempt at the crystal cell and it is the only one that has not eaten itself up to date. I added zero water to the mix which was alum and epsom salts with a little salt substitute.


The thing is it was very very wet for a long time and it was my best cell to date at 1.2 volts. I used graphite pencil leads that were very thick. I think they were 5mm across. When I dissected the cell the crystal formations almost connected. I think I took it apart to early and after 2-3 months it had not formed fully. But the grahite was destroyed by the salts. So maybe carbon would be better. The design was a glass jar with a helical wound aluminum wire around the inside of the jar. The electrode was graphite and I already went over the mix. Not one drop of water was added to the mix yet it was very wet. the crystals that formed were shaped like the epsoms salt and were very clear.