another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.

[Magluvin]

What's really called for here guys, is for Rosemary to get off her butt, stop making excuses, and either make the proper measurements as she's been advised to several times, or use another method, also as advised.

Mags' suggestion to compare two sets of batteries and loads is fine, but it requires a lot of work and time in terms of setting everything up and acquiring more batteries etc. And moreover, she is refusing to perform this test UNLESS her caveats are satisfied. How droll.

A simpler, easier, and quicker definitive method to determine if the circuit is indeed using energy from the batteries or not, is to implement the test per the following diagram. The RATS have NOT done this test on the apparatus for which the claims are based, and anything less than this does not qualify as proof. Now, we all know that Rosemary is going to say she has already done this test, but there has been no proof offered to convincingly demonstrate that this test was performed on the same apparatus referred to in the papers, and in the video. When and until such evidence is provided, it will be assumed that this test has NOT been performed as described.

The test is extremely simple to set up. Once done, it's only a matter of observing which, if either of the bulbs, illuminate. It's that simple. After ensuring that both bulbs function normally, install them for the test.

If only the "Current Supplied" bulb illuminates, then the circuit uses battery energy and it is over all "underunity".

If only the "Current Returned" bulb illuminates, then the circuit returns more energy to the battery than it uses, and it is over all "overunity".

If neither bulb illuminates and the circuit is running and heating the element, then once again it would be overunity. (However, if neither bulb illuminates, it would first be prudent to try several lower wattage bulbs before jumping to this conclusion).

If both bulbs illuminate, then it would have to be determined which is dissipating the most power, especially if it is not obvious by their relative intensities.

.99

Can you suggest what light bulbs to use that would not affect the circuit operation due to changing resistance when heating? Voltage, watts.

And also suggest what diodes to use?  ;]

Mags

[Magluvin]

Maybe low ohm non inductive resistors instead of the bulbs, then monitored via 2 scope probes? Then there is no question of inverted functions and such, because the directional diodes determine that.

Mags

[poynt99]

Maybe low ohm non inductive resistors instead of the bulbs, then monitored via 2 scope probes? Then there is no question of inverted functions and such, because the directional diodes determine that.

Mags

Mags, this would work also, yes.

Here's how I would do it. Note that you could also use voltage meters in place of oscilloscope channels. We are interested in the average current in both directions, and a voltage meter set on DC volts will reliably measure that for us.

If using a scope however, ENSURE THAT NO SCOPE OR FG PROBES ARE STILL PRESENTLY CONNECTED TO THE RAT CIRCUIT.

.99

[poynt99]

For the diodes, I would suggest any of the following:

MUR1540
MUR840G
STTH8R04D

Anything with about 400V rating and at least 8A capability.

.99

[TinselKoala]

Mags, this would work also, yes.

Here's how I would do it. Note that you could also use voltage meters in place of oscilloscope channels. We are interested in the average current in both directions, and a voltage meter set on DC volts will reliably measure that for us.

If using a scope however, ENSURE THAT NO SCOPE PROBES ARE STILL PRESENTLY CONNECTED TO THE RAT CIRCUIT.

.99

I'm glad you put in that last part. As I have tried to point out before, unless special pains are taken, in most cases with common instruments, including most oscilloscopes like the LeCroy Rosemary is using, and most function generators..... ALL PROBE GROUNDS (for non-differential probes) and ALL FG GROUNDS (negative leads, shields) will be COMMON and will provide current paths through the instruments themselves--- paths which will be unmonitored. Hence, if ANY of these grounds are connected to points in the circuit which are at different potentials -- AS SHOWN IN ROSEMARY'S CIRCUIT DIAGRAM ABOVE -- there will be current flow.

The Fluke ScopeMeters 123 and 199 have fully-isolated grounds, so the channels can be used completely independently (up to 600V difference in the grounds). But just about every other instrument I can think of has all probe grounds connected internally, and to the chassis ground which is probably connected to the linecord ground pin. Ditto the FGs-- the "shield" or negative output lead may be connected to the chassis ground which is connected to the line cord ground pin.