NASA CONFIRMS COLD FUSION

[Rosemary Ainslie]

@Rosemary:
Yes...I posted the announcement/video released by NASA confirming LENR technology back on 1-12-2012 in reply #485 from the thread in the following link:

http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/

I haven't posted for a while because details are still pouring in about Rossi's plans to sell home units for around $500 dollars a piece with refills costing $10 every six months of continual use.  These are just a few details.  I'm still gathering the specifics (and putting them together).  I'll have a post up soon on the original thread.

Nice to see you Rosemary,

Chess

GOOD STUFF CHESS.  Can't wait.  And really nice to see you too.

Kindest and best,
Rosemary

[sm0ky2]

"LENR" is not to be interpreted the same as say ... a radionuclear or thermonuclear reaction.
   while some of the processes that take place, are similar..
low-energy nuclear stimulation can hardly be construed as a "nuclear reaction", by any commonly accepted use of the term. And i could not condone labeling this as "cold-fusion" either..

its nothing more than an electrochemical reaction


that being said, there are several situations where electroexcitation can result in an abundance of heat or electrical energy as the result of atomic and molecular separation or recombination processes.

For instance: by raising the energy level of a molecule, you can achieve a state where seperation of two or more atoms can occur, and release large ammounts of heat or electrical energy, with relatively small input energies to achieve that state.

   It is these types of reactions that we are looking to exploit.
Nickel happens to be easily excitable,
    and cooincidentially magnetostrictive, which gives it a natural field-amplification effect.
Other than the cost, and obviously limited supply-chain,. i can see why it would make a good choice of fuel.

Carbon, however, is even more easily excitable, and there is a limitless abundance of it on this planet.
         
Carbon is also one of the elementary atomic structures, from which the exact nature of this effect can / should be studied. Each energy state of the carbon atom coincides with a particular atomic or molecular structure. The first primary (there are also secondary energy states) energy state couples with the O2 molecule. when a single carbon atom takes on sufficient charge, an oxygen molecule can freely couple with it becoming CO2. If the energy required to do this were  = E . Then the energy required to raise the new molecule to an energy state sufficient to cause separation back into the base products - would be approx =  4 x (E)

Now, the exact energy value coorespings to some number of hundreds of electron volts..
meanwhile, the Heat energy released by the separation of the CO2 molecule, and its' constituents resultant field collapses....  ranges somewhere in the range of 10,000 degrees, for a finite duration of time. = E^36 or something..

So, in this respect, the energy values are comparable to nuclear technologies.

But there are plenty of other processes which exhibit similar energy gains., such as an electrolosys / combustion cycle, but we do not call this nuclear technology..  so im a bit confused about why this is labeled LENR in the first place...  Its clearly electrochemical in nature.

This was all well understood for a short period of time back in the 70's. when lasers were becoming popular, then it seems the world of science forgot what they had learned.... There are electro-acidic solutions that function on the same principal, once the energy level of the solution reaches a certain point, it becomes acidic.

[Gwandau]

chessnyt,

sorry for not recognizing your thread before posting this one.
I recommend everybody to move to chessnyt's thread for a much more detailed
information regarding the developement of Andrea Rossi's invention.

http://www.overunity.com/11404/first-free-energy-device-reaches-market-in-october-the-game-changer-is-here/485/

Gwandau

[CuriousChris]

"LENR" is not to be interpreted the same as say ... a radionuclear or thermonuclear reaction.
   while some of the processes that take place, are similar..
low-energy nuclear stimulation can hardly be construed as a "nuclear reaction", by any commonly accepted use of the term. And i could not condone labeling this as "cold-fusion" either..

its nothing more than an electrochemical reaction
...

so im a bit confused about why this is labeled LENR in the first place...  Its clearly electrochemical in nature.

LENR is a nuclear reaction. its not chemical or electrochemical (electrolysis). yes you are correct you can electrically excite molecules and create a seperation into individual elements. for example h20 into hydrogen and oxygen. To do this you only need to overcome the bonds between elements, for some molecules that is easier than for others.

The only way to turn one ELEMENT into another ELEMENT is by a nuclear reaction.

LENR claims to be a nuclear reaction, without all the nasty side effects (radiation, although gamma radiation is produced its easily dealt with) the reaction in Rossi's case is to convert nickel to copper.

These two elements live side by side on the periodic table of elements The only "scientifically accepted way of turning one to the other is with massive amounts of energy, typical of a fusion process like within the Sun and a tokamak reactor.

That's why LENR has so much scepticism about it. As a "low energy" nuclear reaction it does not fit accepted science.


CC

[firlight]

That's why LENR has so much scepticism about it. As a "low energy" nuclear reaction it does not fit accepted science.


CC


Chris
           I will say this .I believe in the E-Cat.But not in Hot Fusion its a Scam and a total Fraud
       They have been trying to create Hot Fusion since 1947 over 60 years and spending Billions
         of cash down the drain.Its a total con by the system they have to keep the budget going each
        year.I should know I worked as a engineer for years in the High energy physics game.

  Dave