Why is a permanent magnet not a source of energy?

[Mystmot]

Hello.
I have been wondering, it has been stated all over that a permanent magnet is not a source of energy.
I have attached two sketches which will clarify my question properly.

To make this as simple as possible...
On the first picture, an object under the influence of gravity has made a motion and to simplify the total amount of energy that the object has had interaction with is 4 J.
On the second picture, that same object, under the influence of magnetic force, for the same motion, totals 5 J.

Where is this 1 J coming from??

Could anyone please explain to me where I am wrong.

[Qwert]

You are right. Only, to take apart those two objects, you must use additional force/energy. And this additional force also will be much greater for magnets, comparing gravity. Also, magnets' field of force works at comparatively shorter distances.

[dxer_87]

This is my first post here, so hi everybody, I'm Przemek from Poland and from 2 years time I'm concerned in overunity devices, now sure it is possible for them to work, especially without scientific description. They simply work, so we should build them making good solutions. I'm asking too: why not the magnet?

The magnet has its magnetic potential energy because it was magnetise in produce time - it's just the same process like giving the ball it's potential energy that it was taken on the roof. But, what's important: only the Earth has it's gravity interaction that is visible, because of it's size and mass. The same is about magnet and an iron ball, only the magnet has it's visible potential energy that isn't lost by contacting with metal. in the 1st picture the ball loose it's potential energy to half of the previous one. The permanent magnet doesn't loose it's potential energy and it's still 2J, so comparing behaviour of a permanent magnet to earth gravity is lacking in this way. Only comparing gravity objects of a high mass make sense with magnets.

Going further: if someone would use magnetic force of a permanent magnet repeatidly without magnetic potential energy lost (it's said it can be achieved after some 50 years of work such a device). The Earth is cycling around the Sun because of gravity potential energy too and no one see it's perpetual motion. But yes, and I think it would take a long time to 'discharge' potential gravity energy of Earth and Sun to even make a longer distance between them. The same is about permanent magnet. If I'm wrong, correct me, because I don't believe that the unknown aether is the source of OU in Minato like generator+motor systems on one shaft.

If I'm right there would be no possibility to build an OU rotating device with coils instead of magnets, but the energy wouldn't come from space like in Tesla coil.

Przemek

You should rather ask: If I teach you to throw a ball from the roof, saying it will fall, and teach you that anything that you will throw will fall, then that would be a good example that the Earth have the right potential energy to attract anything that is surrounding it and from the start of its existence it is unexhaustible (not like a magnet that will fail after half of century).

[CompuTutor]

Question:
"Why is a permanent magnet not a source of energy?"

Answer:
"Because we (still) don't know enough to do it like the ancients (already) did"

[dxer_87]

Hi!

Yes, that's the fact that we don't know the features of space, especially the interactions that happens in it. I was taught the magnetic interaction is strange because from Maxwell's equation we know that there is no particle that is conveying the interaction of magnetism, the same is about gravity, there is no graviton (yet experimentally found). So things get complicated. About permanent magnet we know that inside its structure there are magnetic domains that create forces, which can only be level-headed approaching the same magnet different pole outside of it, and anybody can see the lines of forces outside a magnet when small pieces of metal are around and the forces come from a magnet. And because the magnetic field that happens not only outside a magnet but also inside of it, that is obtained by the so called magnetic domain of crystal structure, I want to say that even if don't know where comes from the interaction, the magnetic field around a magnet is a feature of the magnet! Probably many things happen to space near to a magnet, but we don't know exactly what.

The unification theories about interactions try to describe magnetic, electric and gravity as one, but I think that we can't simply look that deep to structure of space and mattery.

What we discuss has nothing to working perpetuum mobiles that some of us are building and one thing is sure, if we get to deep in calculations and explanations, we would be as foolish as those who says overunity is for freaks - those who want to describe what they actually see with naked eyes with old physics apparatus that we use nowadays.

I think we can discuss on a forum like this one, but anyone must be careful, because in the net there is so much trash about overunity and magnet motors, that it is very sad for common people we live in such a lied world. Especially You, people of America have problems with your government because they try to fool you with ufo like story from '40s. And it's sad that many people believe in aliens and go crazy and know nothing about antigravity engine that your gover tried to develop. But I believe that You as a society can change the whole world, thanks God your army gave us the net that we can communicate without barriers.

Be patient. Together we can change more.