Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work

[quantumtangles]

May be there is a formula to calculate how much potential arrogance may be converted to kinetic smugness.

Most amusing. I realise it was directed towards me. Excellent comment.

[quantumtangles]

@ Gwandau

I can only explain it to you. I cant understand it for you.


You said in your post "(As you know perfectly well, today no one on earth knows why a magnet attracts a piece of iron from distance (sic). Magnetism is still a total mystery)".

Applying Occam's razor, magnets attract iron because when one is moved towards the other (using mechanical energy from your arm for example), the distance between the two objects decreases until a point I shall refer to as the 'critical moment'. At the critical moment (energy having been supplied from outside the iron/magnet combination (externally supplied.. to move them closer together), they then attract one another, seemingly without the need for further external energy.

However, all that is really happening here is energy conversion. Magnets can convert mechanical energy into kinetic energy, just as gravity can convert potential energy (from high altitude water) into kinetic energy. Note the word 'convert'. Note also that magnets neither contain energy nor add any energy. If you prefer, you can think of magnets as miniature gravity wells. If you externally supply enough mechanical energy (by moving a piece of iron or a magnet closer to one another) they will convert that mechanical energy into kinetic energy at the critical moment. But this conversion process is extremely inefficient. You must always supply much more mechanical energy to a magnet or to a piece of iron than you can ever hope to convert into kinetic energy at the critical moment. This is because the change in momentum of an object is always half (the force applied by an object X will always cause a change in momentum in an object Y equivalent to 50% of the original force supplied by Object X). Check out my Delta Mom calculations earlier in this thread. A full mathematical proof has already been provided. Yawn. Don't be surprised, if you import a Neodymium magnet from China, when it manages to 'move' a small piece of iron a couple of centimetres in Milton Keynes


Construction Tip:

Remove all the magnets and your 'PM magnet motor' will spin much more efficiently.


If you claim otherwise, please provide even a solitary example of a 'magnet motor' that can do more than merely convert mechanical energy. Hint. Harebrained magnet motors will not, even for an instant, move, unless you push them, pull them or motorise them. Conclusion: Mechanical energy must always be supplied. Accordingly, magnets act as a brake on spinning wheels because more mechanical energy is needed to spin a wheel with magnets attached to it than a wheel without magnets attached to it. Good day.

[Gwandau]

 

Applying Occam's razor, magnets attract iron because when one is moved towards the other (using mechanical energy from your arm for example), the distance between the two objects decreases until a point I shall refer to as the 'critical moment'. At the critical moment (energy having been supplied from outside the iron/magnet combination (externally supplied.. to move them closer together), they then attract one another, seemingly without the need for further external energy.

However, all that is really happening here is energy conversion. Magnets can convert mechanical energy into kinetic energy, just as gravity can convert potential energy (from high altitude water) into kinetic energy. Note the word 'convert'. Note also that magnets neither contain energy nor add any energy. If you prefer, you can think of magnets as miniature gravity wells. If you externally supply enough mechanical energy (by moving a piece of iron or a magnet closer to one another) they will convert that mechanical energy into kinetic energy at the critical moment. But this conversion process is extremely inefficient. You must always supply much more mechanical energy to a magnet or to a piece of iron than you can ever hope to convert into kinetic energy at the critical moment. This is because the change in momentum of an object is always half (the force applied by an object X will always cause a change in momentum in an object Y equivalent to 50% of the original force supplied by Object X). Check out my Delta Mom calculations earlier in this thread. A full mathematical proof has already been provided. Yawn. Don't be surprised, if you import a Neodymium magnet from China, when it manages to 'move' a small piece of iron a couple of centimetres in Milton Keynes

quantumtangles,

This is merely an explanation of symptons observed from a point of view without a basic understanding of what causes magnetism or gravity.
Why is that so?  It's because neither you or any other person on earth knows what is going on when it comes to magnetism or gravity.

You cannot apply contemporary scientific knowledge upon uncharted sources of phenomena like this. Don't you see? We are not in that position yet.
To be able to tell what does or does not work, you have to know the sources for each phenomenon and their direct interrelation.

We don't know that yet and there is a lot more than meets the eye, so please take a humble step back to the rest of us.
Staying in your present rigid situation isn't any better that the those who rigidly "knows" that PM-motors work,
it just make you frustrated and angry, and that's not why we are here, is it?

My advice is to try keep an open mind as long as there is no definite proof in any direction.

Gwandau

[Arrow]

It's true
Kinetic motion is converted into a potential difference.
It's one form of energy that get's converted into another form of energy.
The magnet itself does not add any energy in this process which is why i asked the russian member 'Arrow' to prove his claims, but as i was expecting he failed to do so.

But stop saying nobody knows because it's just that you haven't figured it out yet.
This does not mean there are no individuals or even groups who are way ahead of you so you cannot know who knows what and just because you don't know does not mean nobody knows.

Arrow not Russian member, Arrow is Armenia math team member, Team leader Then Arrow human name is Robert - I recommend to any microcontrollers - open map and start learning with microcontrollers optical recognition systems the geography of planet then Earth magnetic nature and planets, If Robert will start to speak and explane things with magnets  in one of ancient languages of planet - Armenian - then  all and micrcontrollers will burned out because of out of memory - this is first.

Second - you are really pist off now me because you don't like to read docs - it means you had stop to study and learning and it means you start your microcontroller degradation process

Third - magnet has the energy - proved, but to get that energy you need second magnet as planet need Sun or other planet in the space.

All proves  shown above in factory documentation and video  - Team end of its participation in this topic. We don't have too much time to teach and program microcontrollers, Our Android OS are waiting us, sorry.

Sorry for English new language for us.

Truly
Robert
Armenia Android development Team

[johnny874]

This is my own "PRAVDA" all other words for me is blah blah blah, this is my test results Sir, and al this topic is blah blah blah!!!
Go and work tuff , make your own research Mr. Microcontroller to  the end of your days, because you are Robot but not human with its natural powerfull brain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY-QZFm3sZc
and this is my good US friend results
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTLvqCiKadI

Truly
Rob

   Rob,
I've seen your friends videos before. Still not sure what he is trying to accomplish. I like yours
better. The basic cause and effect is obvious. How it can be manipulated or improved upon is
open to discussion or what thoughts you might already have.
I don't think it's the stored energy that magnets have but how they effect the field around them.
Even a lead weight weighing one ton will rotate if suspended because of it's own gravity. With a
magnet, it's effect is much more noticeable with a much smaller amount of material.
One thing I have heard mentioned about magnets is that their atomic structure follows a path
which is the reason for it having the effect it does. And this is why steel can be magnetized when
an electric current is ran through it. It rearranges the elements (I think) in a way that will cause it
to keep it's dynamics the same when the electric current is stopped. And this would be what allows
it to be magnetized. Just sharing some thoughts   
                                                                                               Jim