Testing the TK Tar Baby

[WilbyInebriated]

In the quote above, it appears that the NERD authors are claiming that their circuit will not run using a capacitor bank as the main power supply. Or does the phrase "the oscillation then collapsed to a zero voltage" mean..... the oscillations collapsed once the capacitor voltage had dropped below that necessary for the circuit to oscillate?  The two interpretations are very different.... and lead to different conclusions, don't they. What would happen if one used a really _large_ capacitor bank of several thousand _Farads_ charged to 48 volts? Would the circuit run for a while, thus falsifying the conclusions  in the above quote, or would the oscillations collapse immediately to a zero voltage, as required by the NERD "theory"?

the above quote you refer to doesn't say "immediately"...   are you adding your own arbitrary and whimsical qualifications now?

[TinselKoala]

Altoid runs on capacitor only:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy7Sm_Npg40

(I mistakenly call it "tar baby" a couple of times at the beginning, due to a coffee deficiency, which I am remedying now.)

[TinselKoala]

the above quote you refer to doesn't say "immediately"...   are you adding your own arbitrary and whimsical qualifications now?

You and I both know that the quote is designed to imply that the circuit won't run on a capacitor.  And in English, the symbol " ? " which appears several times in my post, indicates a QUESTION, that is, an interrogative, asking for a clarification of an ambiguity in the original quotation which you are astute enough to point out.

Now, will you deign to apply your wet-noodle skills, such as they are, to the Ainslie claims made in their papers, like the one above, or will you continue to argue about what the meaning of "is" is, like a Bill Clinton clone squirming on the witness stand? No, of course not... you've got better things to do with your time.

How about this: I'll put a battery and a capacitor in black boxes, and run the NERD or Tar Baby or Altoid circuit for a while on each one, and YOU tell me which is the power source, battery or capacitor? When is "immediately" soon enough or long enough ?

[TinselKoala]

One Farad Remix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNf12g8HPnI

[TinselKoala]

THEREFORE, with a large enough capacitor and/or a small enough battery, the behaviour of Altoid will be the same regardless of which power source is used, and this, I believe, has been demonstrated experimentally to be true, and this can be repeated by anyone with opposable thumbs and an Altoid tin.

BY INDUCTION, one may also wager confidently that this will also be true for Tar Baby. And further.... it will also be true for the NERD device itself.

This is my prediction: if a large enough capacitor is used, the NERD circuit will perform just like it does with a battery. And if a small enough battery is used, the battery will be easily seen to run down while the NERD circuit is operating. I also predict that the NERDS will never perform these tests adequately.

Feel free to prove me wrong at any time.