Testing the TK Tar Baby

[Magluvin]

TK:

Great clip.  Finally we get to see negative computed power while the capacitor discharges.  An oxymoron!

I jumped a little inside when I saw that you were working with one-farad capacitors at five volts!  They have been upping the voltage I see.  Good old technology.

Isn't a one-farad capacitor supposed to be the size of a steamer trunk?   

MileHigh

I looked up some specs on some of these. 30ohm?  I was a bit surprised.  1F is quite a bit of energy.  I suppose they are more for long term slow discharge compared to the old 40oz can looking caps from car audio.

Mags

[fuzzytomcat]

Howdy all,

I acquired PDF copies of the new NERD RAT "COP>INFINITY" device papers, although where posted the two document presented were in a one column not in a two column format which is a requirement for submission to a accredited journal or magazine for possible peer review and publication. 

These attached documents are for reference to compare and contrast the logical fallacies within. 

( "NEW" revised edition )

Experimental Evidence of a Breach of Unity on Switched Circuit Apparatus   ( ROSSI-JOP-1-PDF_rev1_energy-shiftingparadigms.pdf )

Proposed Variation to Faraday’s Lines of Force to include a Magnetic Dipole in its Structure    ( ROSSI-JOP-2-PDF_rev1_energy-shiftingparadigms.pdf )

( "OLD" open source community vetted edition )

Experimental Evidence of a Breach of Unity on Switched Circuit Apparatus     ( ROSSI-JOP-1-PDF.pdf )

Proposed Variation to Faraday’s Lines of Force to include a Magnetic Dipole in its Structure     ( ROSSI-JOP-2- PDF.pdf )


Fuzzy

[TinselKoala]

Yep, she's made revisions without issuing an "errata" sheet showing where they are,  and without removing all old, superseded versions of the papers.

Anybody reading those papers  might also be interested to read Ainslie's blog posts 117 and 118, where the experimental technique and the results are described more accurately.

[TinselKoala]

And no report of Ainslie's experiment would be complete without her analysis of the energy flow, which somehow got left out of the "papers":

NOW.  Let's look at your 'self-runner' demands.  We have never recharged those batteries - with one exception.  Two caught fire and BOTH were fully recharged.  We've had those batteries since January 2010.  We've been running them since August 2010.  I've now FINALLY checked their rated capacities.  They're 40 ampere hours each.  We've used 6 of them continually since that time.  According to this rating they are each able, theoretically to dissipate 12 volts x 40 amps x 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 1 hour x 6 batteries.  That gives a work potential - a total potential output of 10 368 000 JOULES.

According to what has been carefully established it takes 4.18 Joules to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degree centigrade.  We've taken a little under 900 grams of water to 82 degrees centigrade.  We ran that test for 90 minutes.  Then we upped the frequency and took that water up a further 20 degrees to 104.  We ran that part of the test for 10 minutes.  Ambient was at 16.  Joules = 1 watt per second.  So.  Do the math.  4.18 x 900 grams x (82 - 16) 66 degrees C = 248 292 joules per second x 90 minutes of the test period = 22 342 280 joules.  Then ADD the last 10 minutes where the water was taken to boil and now you have 4.18 x 900 grams x (104 - 16) 88 degrees C = 331 156 joules per second x 10 minutes = 3 310 560 Joules.  Then add those two values 22 342 280 + 3 310 560 = 25.6 Million Joules.  All 5 batteries maximum potential output - available for work - is 10.3 Million Joules. In that test alone the battery outperformed its watt hour rating.  And that was just one test.  Now.  Over the 10 month period that those batteries have been running at various outputs - which, when added to the output on just this one test - then I think its safe to say that the evidence is conclusive.  Those batteries have outperformed. They are still at OVER 12 volts EACH.  They are all of them still FULLY CHARGED.

This statement and the blog posts 117 and 118 are describing the exact same experimental session. This material should definitely be considered along with the papers by anybody who might be interested in evaluating the matter.

[TinselKoala]

I looked up some specs on some of these. 30ohm?  I was a bit surprised.  1F is quite a bit of energy.  I suppose they are more for long term slow discharge compared to the old 40oz can looking caps from car audio.

Mags

Yes, these are "keep alive" batteries for devices that have some active ROM or other low-drain circuitry. They are designed to act as a power supply for low drain situations, so a high ESR is acceptable. It's interesting to watch the current as they are charged by my regulated power supply. It starts low, then rises to a peak, then tapers off exponentially as the cap approaches full charge.

And of course you know that "1 Farad" isn't an energy at all, but a capacity. I calculated that the cap pair has about 30 Joules in it when charged to 5.5 volts.  E = 1/2 CV ² so
(CVV)/2 = (2 x 5.5 x 5.5) / 2 = 30.25 Joules

If I put them in series instead of parallel I can charge the stack to 11 volts but the capacitance is only 0.5 F, so the energy becomes (0.5 x 11 x 11) / 2 = 30.25 Joules. Hmmm.