Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

Yes, there are. I was trying hard to find something nice to say about his work. At least he is trying to achieve consistent results, even if they are relatively meaningless. Precision is not accuracy, and both are required for credibility.

In the first place the measurements should not be done in ambient air. A container with insulated walls and a known quantity of a suitable fluid like mineral oil should be used to completely submerge the load for a first test and then the entire circuit including load for a definitive test. A means for stirring the liquid should be provided as well. Calibration runs on the container/stirrer using a known load dissipating power from a DC supply will indicate the "leak rate" of energy loss from the container and will even indicate the energy imparted by the stirring, by easily performed time and temperature measurements. Then the device is placed in the container and run, using known input power, until the chamber reaches an equilibrium temperature. The time course of the temperature rise and the eventual magnitude of the equilibrium temperature will tell the true power being dissipated by the circuit running submerged in the oil, and the total energy transferred during the time of the test. The entire process can be completely automated and controlled by, for example, an Arduino and the program "processing".

I believe MileHigh gave an excellent description of exactly how to go about doing this kind of calorimetry and calibration of the calorimetry chamber. Mineral oil is easy to get and although its heat capacity is less than that of water it is a good electrical insulator. Its lesser heat capacity is a good thing because that means that a given amount of energy input will cause a greater temperature rise in oil than it will in water: it is more sensitive. And of course operating in a sealed container of known leak rate is far superior to operating in air in the ambience, where drafts and convection currents and load hot spots and radiative transfer can never be adequately controlled.

It is helpful also to recall that power is not a conserved quantity. Power measurements are not the criterion for overunity performance; rather, the instantaneous power integrated over a suitable time period, resulting in a quantity of energy, is what needs to be "greater out than in". Measurements of the air temperature "over" a resistive element in an uncontrolled environment, or by a thermocouple actually in contact with the element, and trying to get a power figure from that, is a very typical Ainslie-style naive error. Nevertheless, even poor data must be correctly calculated; Ainslie's use of her air temperature measurements "over" the load, or in contact with it, are a bad joke, nothing more, and Gmeast shouldn't be emulating them when it is so easy to do it a bit more properly and get real results that actually yield an energy balance.

[poynt99]

Again, thanks for the attention.

I guess that explains why Sir gmeast comes here so much; he's not getting enough attention, and certainly not over at Rose's sandbox.

[Magluvin]

Again, thanks for the attention.  Nice light show TK. 


I had typed out a nice, long response for all of you, but it's not worth it. Well I need to get back to my fakery.

Are you kidding me?  Did you not read my post before this one??  Are you drinking the same water as Rose?  Are you Rose??

Fakery?  Again, I said nothing of the sort that GMeast is involved with fakery. The only way that this could be true, is if GMeast is Rose. YES, I did call Rose a faker.
What is wrong with people?  I wonder if he will say it again?  Any takers? Unbelievable.

Mags

[gmeast]

Are you kidding me?   Did you not read my post before this one? ?  Are you drinking the same water as Rose?  Are you Rose? ?

Fakery?   Again, I said nothing of the sort that GMeast is involved with fakery. The only way that this could be true, is if GMeast is Rose. YES, I did call Rose a faker.
What is wrong with people?  I wonder if he will say it again?  Any takers? Unbelievable.

Mags

Well,


I've removed my primary 'work' computer from the outside world for now.  If you were not such an assumptive fool, you'd check the IP's and see that I'm in the US and she's in SA.  Talk about delusional?


Yesterday I performed another test providing a second proof that that it works, and works consistently .. albeit not at COP>17, but it works.  I believe you guys are fearful that your hateful attacks will soon be moot and you'll have nothing else to do because I have succeeded in proving: IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS.  Sorry guys it really is valid.  I'm happy to have been a part of this. MAGS ... what in the world happened to you? I remember your participation in the Water Spark Plug, forums, the Bob Boyce-related forums, and others I dropped in on or participated in. I can't believe you have been taken in and turned toward evil by the likes of Turkey Krap and poynty-head.  And poynty-head, how dare you DIRTY John Henry Poynting's name by using it as your handle ... poynt99, HA! ... poyntLESS is more like it.  Why can I say these things?  ... because I have PROOF and TRUTH on my side now.  These two things REIGN VICTORIOUS OVER EVIL ... EVERY TIME, EVERY TIME.  Oh, by the way, I'm not religious in any way, so don't go down THAT road when next you ASSume you've one-upped me.  I think I'll get back to my FAKERY ... I know saying that really pisses you off MAGS.  This has been so much fun I can't tell ya'. I now know how to push each and every one of your guys' buttons.  "TRUTH" and "PROOF" ... powerful stuff! Learn it.

[poynt99]

The only thing that gmeast is actually proving here time and time again, is how utterly immature and insecure he is.