Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

 

And the entire lack of intellectual honesty in that paraded nonsense where he shows the battery depleting?  Quite apart from his vulgarity of association - that 'making out with a dog' bit - is the vulgarity of its inconclusiveness.  Which batteries were recharged?  Which weren't? Where in God's name can he find a rechargeable lead acid battery or similar battery that can deplete to '3 VOLTS' - for God's sake? 

What For God's sake in God's name are you talking about, lying idiot? Nowhere did any battery deplete to 3 VOLTS you lying idiot.

And at that level of charge - how does it 'skew' the evident voltages in all those batteries in series?  He doesn't even disconnect them to establish their true voltage.

You idiot, you missed the entire point of the video as usual because you DON'T pay attention and you think you know it all already. Still.

Again.  He gets that applause.  Do you LIKE to see that display of vulgarity - that 'boomp boomp' nonsense.  Do you seriously propose to take this as a serious exercise when it is grossly presented and utterly flawed?

Flawed? Let's list the flaws in your work, which I can point to with references. Where is the ACTUAL flaw, not the imagined ones, in my work?

Is that your own 'bar' set to standards that YOU are happy with?  Because if so - then I really want to disassociate from your standards.  Lack of professionalism is the kindest thing that can be said about it.  Which makes your support of it WHAT?  Dependable?  Deserved?  I don't think so.

Idiot liar.

And one day I'd be glad when any of you, that is you, picowatt, farmhand, Phichaser call him to question on that use of the Tek and the video that followed. 

Now what are you talking about? You have no idea.

Where he shows a negative net mean voltage AND YET KEEPS IT OUT OF FOCUS?  Or OFF reference?  Why exactly?

Where did I show a negative mean voltage? Ever? And what is out of focus? or "OFF reference"? You are flailing and foaming at the mouth and not making any sense.

And that's not even taking into account that it was probably on hand because it needed repair.  Which makes TK a repair technician.  How honourable is to NOT mention that there's a problem with that machine - if there is?  And how  come - as  repair technician - does he NOT know the meaning of the term calibrate?  I can calibrate my clock to Greenwich Mean Time.  I don't calibrate anything at all - if I set my clock to be in synch with my neighbour's.   

You lying mendacious liar. You have no idea what I might do for a living, I am most certainly NOT a repair technician and that Tek scope is in perfect working condition and is CALIBRATED to NIST-traceable standards, and unlike my F43 its calibration is recent. And you do not understand what calibration is, what it means, and what is required to do it.

Now look: I am "accused" of being a repair technician and using a scope in need of repair... because I showed a scope trace on a Tek that she thought was one of HER OWN scope shots, because the waveforms are identical to what she showed. What an idiot.

[picowatt]

TK,

Calm down, go to your happy place...

Did you get in any stargazing today/tonight?  Lots of sunspots to look at.

PW

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Here you go TK - MileHigh - picowatt

Take a good look at this video.  At the first 3 seconds or so there is a negative voltage indicated across the shunt resistor.  Then take a good look at the surroundings to that video.  Then ask TK the questions that follow.

And picowatt.  I've just re-read my posts.  I see NOTHING emotional written there.  I am NOT being emotional.  In fact it is both you and TK who are. 

Now TK - I've taken the trouble to plow through the last two pages answering your questions.  Have the courtesy to answer mine.  Here it is again.

Hello TK,

Nice to see you around.  I wonder if you could perhaps take the trouble to address this post.  Then I'll move on to the other three video references.  Because I KNOW how badly you want to keep your thread topical.

Rosie Pose

Your first video referenced 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevE0FqoRKA
Tek DPO meets Tar Baby for a Play Date
.  Why did you not use that DPO's DISPLAY facility to show the voltage values across the CSR?
.  It's really easily managed.  Yet you didn't see some need for this?
.  Or is that display there?  In the right hand corner at the top?
.  Where the value moves from negative to positive in line with the variations to the offset?
.  But for some reason you kept this out of focus?
.  ALWAYS
.  And WHY did you not use that DPO's MATH FUNCTION to show the product of the battery and shunt values?
.  When this would have got to the heart of the matter
.  so easily?
.  And that trick with the ground?
.  And all that INSINUATION?
.  Are you forgetting those wonderful grounding features of that Tek DPO 4034?
.  Therefore the circuit is only finally open
.  Or the the battery is only entirely disconnected
.  When you ALSO disconnect that wonderful little machine?
.  Shouldn't you have explained this?
.  Instead of implying that there were 'grounding' issues?
.  I'd have thought?

If I didn't know better I'd be inclined to think that you were relying on these omissions to try and 'imply', 'infer' or 'allege' a 'debunk'?  Surely not?  I'm sure you'd never be guilty of insulting our readers' intelligence with such OBVIOUS tactics.  It is hardly likely that you'd go to such inordinate lengths to try and hoodwink anyone at all - that our claim has no merit.  It's not your style.  I see that now.

Regards TK
Rosie Pose

By the way (BTW) - I was MOST intrigued with that background setting where you accessed that machine.  Is that a warehouse?  Full of equipment?  Did you officially register your loan of it?  For that little video of yours?  I'd give my eye teeth to know who the owner is.   

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[MileHigh]

All:

I know that my post was a rant, and filled with emotion.  It's probably not the most productive posting but it was a posting out of frustration.  Sort of like a shot across the bow of Rosie's ship to try to get her to smarten up.

There are limits to trying to get some basic points across and the receiver is either combative or there is a complete and total disconnect.  If Rosie would get with the program and "attend electronics kindergarten" by reading some books or going online and finding some good resources on electronics and putting some effort into it then perhaps we could get through to her more often.

You can tell that there are a lot of self-invented "old wives' tales" that Rosie uses to construct her belief system which serves as a coping mechanism to help her navigate through this strange world of electronics.

Anyway, I got frustrated.  Rosemary is learning about electronics at a glacial pace.  When you hit a brick wall in trying to explain stuff to her, you can lose your composure.  You have to find a balance between blowing off some steam and being patient and helpful.  You can't hold it in all the time because that's not healthy either.

Anyway, I don't want to sound 'too involved' either because I am not.  It can still be fun sometimes, and frustrating at times.  It would be nice to see closure on this whole affair.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

TK,

Calm down, go to your happy place...

Did you get in any stargazing today/tonight?  Lots of sunspots to look at.

PW

OOhh she makes me so mad. How can someone be allowed to get away with that crap? "Depleted to three volts". Repair technician not revealing the use of a broken scope. She objects to my scope shots that show identical phases to hers. She thinks that two circuits built with the same components using the same diagrams and tested in the same way will somehow work differently in the northern hemisphere than in the southern. Or is it just in my lab that reality bends?  How can she get away with it? Every post of hers is filled with crap like that, and the sheer illogic isn't even the worst part of it. She misinterprets, then accuses and rants based on her misinterpretations and misunderstandings, and then lies about it all later. She will be proclaiming that I am a repair technician and my scopes are "in for repair" now. As if I could take apart a Tek DPSO and fix something in there with a crescent wrench and a soldering iron.

I did not get to look at the sun today... I was busy out buying BULBS and even a DC-to-DC converter to try on this ridiculous project ...  but tonight I've got the best view of Saturn that I personally have ever seen. I can clearly make out the Cassini division in the rings and follow it around in _front_ of the planet about half the time as the seeing waves in and out. That's the first time I've been able to do that. Of course in the years that I've had the scopes, the rings have been their very flattest but are now opening up nicely. The tiny shadow of the rings on the planet, the shadow of the planet on the rings in back, some banding and color contrast in the planet's disk.... Titan a respectable way off to the left and three other moons in a nice formation nearby to the right side..... spectacular. It's too much trouble to set up to try to get a photo though. If it's clear again tomorrow night I will, though. To think that we have a robot spacecraft up there right now, skimming moons and taking pictures and streaming back incredible data.... it boggles the mind. And all done by people who paid attention in school, and who believe totally in QED, the Standard Model, and the Laws of Thermodynamics.
Mars is kind of washed-out; I wonder if there's a duststorm happening. I can make out a brilliant white area that is the polar cap, and some dark markings, but no canals tonight ! And of course no "mystery plume"... I just don't have the aperture and wouldn't know when to look anyway.