Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

Interesting...  KneeDeep

Yes, I thought so too.

I'm wondering... has there been any progress towards testing the NERD device? I haven't been looking at other threads here and I'm wondering if the NERD RATs have dropped their application or decided not to pursue the matter further.

Because I think we've identified some very easy little tests and trials that might reveal a lot about that device's performance, if somebody would only do them. If the NERD RAT device still exists somewhere, and is the revolutionary COP > Infinity device it has been claimed to be..... wouldn't you think at least _somebody_ would be willing to stay up late, in a room full of electronic test equipment and a computer and a camera or two, testing and reporting until everybody understood what a miracle it is and just how well it worked.

I know I would be, if I believed, really deep down, that I actually had such a device. Heck, I am anyway, and I doubt very severely that I will be able to get anywhere near COP > Infinity with the Tar Baby.

Heck, I'd be happy if it just did half that.

[MileHigh]

TK:

Well, those look like the LEDs of Salvation!  World saved!  Civilization powered by RAT pulsing inductors everywhere!  lol

A few thoughts for you.  Goodbye cruel world...  Actually you notice that your 3-4 MHz waveform is actually a repeating "vertical spike" and not a sinusoidal-ish wave.  So there are actually harmonics galore, 8, 12, 16 MHz, etc.   You are really in "spacial energy" (sic) territory.

What makes voltage of the oscillation on the drain go quite high above the battery voltage?  I am guessing when the Q2 MOSFETs turn on that the small wire inductance is energized.  Then when Q2 switches off that stored energy discharges and charges up the stray capacitance in the wire.  Note that when you touch the wire and add capacitance the amplitude of the oscillations goes down.

So I am going to guess that the charged stray wire capacitance discharges back into the battery and that makes the "return" LED light up.  So it's the same old business where the whole setup is "buzzing" relative to a qasi virtual ground plane consisting of your desk, the floor, bla bla bla.  Spatial energy is everywhere dude...

So, two LEDs light up with a 4 MHz "spike."  The new mad theory is that 100 units of energy flow out of the battery, and then 99 units of energy flow back into the battery at 4 MHz.  There is a net outflow of energy that powers the circuit.

So, will the LEDs of Salvation be trumped by the Can't-be-Fooled Capacitor?  That ls the question...

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

@MH: I  wouldn't put too much interpretation on the shape of that waveform within the oscillations. At the frequencies concerned, probes and scope internals have a large effect on subtle things like details within an individual period. if the waveform is regular at all you can rely on the frequency to be precise (if not too accurate) on the scope readout, but the exact shape could be influenced even by how you've got the probe wire strung along the bench. And these probes are "compensated" to give a good waveshape at a certain frequency, and so at other freqs they will distort the shape a bit.
I just checked .99's analysis doc, but it doesn't look like he included any sim traces from the common drain point, he was just concerned about the battery voltage and the CVR indications. Still, the oscillations at the battery in his sim look a lot like the individual cycles I see within the blur. I don't think there is really anything "clicking" or turning on and off hard in the circuit during the oscillations, and I think that they are really classical feedback, very sinusoidal, with some distortion caused by artefact and stray inductances.
But maybe you are right..... otherwise I probably wouldn't be able to pick it up on my FM radio at 88.1 MHz.

ETA: The bandwidth of the old 180 is a factor too. In a few days I'll have results from a more modern, 1 GHz scope and that will let us see what is really happening within those individual osc cycles. Pretty colored lines, too !

[TinselKoala]

@MH:
You said

So, two LEDs light up with a 4 MHz "spike."  The new mad theory is that 100 units of energy flow out of the battery, and then 99 units of energy flow back into the battery at 4 MHz.  There is a net outflow of energy that powers the circuit.

I forgot to show it but the LEDs across the CVR don't light when I have the LEDs-BrownInductor combo in series with the battery.
I can get the green one to glow very dimly but I think the red one stays dark. The red LEDs on the battery must be sucking up the excess TarBalls (not zipons) in the AC oscillation and converting them to red light, so they can't light up the other ones or even make it into the battery unless they sneak through the inductor.... Wait... we've discovered TarBall Tunneling !! It's the only possible explanation for why my batteries are still above 12 volts each, even though I've been running them for 5 hours a day every working day for the past day or two.

[TinselKoala]

Sorry, I forgot myself for a moment. Seriously now....

We have a couple tests pending on the Tar Baby,  like my simple "dark bulb" test (with matched Zeners if allowed), the MH capacitor test,  and the Ultimate Reality Trial that .99 has proposed for the NERD RAT test. I don't need no stinking academics, I'll be happy to accept the test parameters and conditions that he was proposing to the NERD RATS as a fair test of their claims.

Now, I'm only claiming that Tar Baby will perform just like NERD in these tests (or others), allowing for its lower power levels and smaller battery capacity. I'm NOT claiming ..... yet ...... to have achieved OU performance (I haven't yet tested for this, obviously). Since my claim depends on the NERD device itself actually being tested _competently_ by whatever personnel and protocol..... let's get with the program, there, NERDs. Or are you trying to suppress my technology by delaying my progress?