quentron.com

[broli]

The pricing forecast seems to be quite conservative or even pessimistic to some, I wouldn't bet on it. I did notice a bigger monetary aspect in your latest business plan change though. If quenco gets released I doubt it would take beyond 2014 to get a roll-to-roll ALD production line set up by you or by anyone else ripping the technology off. Your prices seem fine for proof of concept and prototypical studies. But these won't last beyond the first few months when pretty much anyone has accepted the reality of this technology and would want to get on the bandwagon ASAP to start "printing" these like stamps by the millions.

[neptune]

@TinselKoala. The situation is not clear here . Firstly, I do not of course, want to see Quentron disappear. My understanding is that the technology has not yet been patented, nor has a patent been applied for . I may be wrong.So applying for a patent would thrust this into big brothers face, and would in my opinion, forcibly draw the attention of the wrong people.
@Philip. It is probably simplistic to assume that Governments have the peoples interests at heart. Governments have the Governments interest at heart. Not the same thing.
ADDED LATER.I have found that the situation regarding USA patents has much improved since 2003. Just what the situation is in other countries, I do not know. So what I am basically saying is that I wish you every success, but at all times watch your back and look before you leap.

[e2matrix]

Some additional thoughts....   Look at the economical difference between NiMH, NiCd, Li-Ion batteries that are rechargeable versus alkaline batteries.  Rechargeable batteries are hundreds of times if not thousands of times more economical (and don't become as much of an environmental problem) than alkaline batteries.  Yet Duracell, Eveready and others still sell millions of alkaline batteries.  What is my point?  It is that people may be slower to adapt to a much smarter solution than we might think.  That may be a good thing in the short term in that if this technology moves forward first into smaller devices like AA size batteries, E-bikes, and similar things that do not threaten the major energy cartels it could possible get established without creating the wrong sort of attention.  Once established it could then move onto bigger things like cars, home power and so on as it would be a known and proven technology which at that point I believe would be hard to stop.  Just some rambling thoughts. 

    Some more...   My Dad used to say all politicians are crooks.  I thought that was rather a callous outlook way back then but now I would tend to agree.  And if they don't start out that way how many can resist both the huge payoffs (some call contributions) they get from big corporations.  And if that doesn't work then I'm sure in some cases they are given a choice which involves taking a nice sum of money or having their families threatened.   So IMO is it naive to trust that our government will be helpful in getting this into the hands of the people.  You know my answer to that.  A recent article at the top and center of CNN.com (mainstream news page) was titled "Why do politicians LIE?"  I was actually surprised to see that on CNN but once in a while CNN does surprise me with something real. 

   I continue to wonder if it is a good idea to bring a lot of attention to quenco until they are in production in such numbers (million or more ?) that it could not be shoved under a rug.  Yes finding a really altruistic billionaire would be great but I won't hold my breath.  People like Gates and Buffett who might now seem altruistic with all the billions they are giving to charities will simply not want to upset the status quo and I think quenco has the potential to do that - although it would be in a very good way in the longer term.   The Google boys seem to always be looking for ways to reduce energy usage and be greener.  Their energy usage to run those millions of search servers is astronomical.  They built one of their main centers in Oregon where water powered energy (dams) is much cheaper and greener than many areas.  They also were very involved in the Tesla electric roadster.  They might be one possible investor.  The Waltons (Walmart) seems to always be looking to ways to reduce their cost of energy and they do invest in greener solutions.  Just some more ramblings....

[e2matrix]

@TinselKoala. The situation is not clear here . Firstly, I do not of course, want to see Quentron disappear. My understanding is that the technology has not yet been patented, nor has a patent been applied for . I may be wrong.So applying for a patent would thrust this into big brothers face, and would in my opinion, forcibly draw the attention of the wrong people.
@Philip. It is probably simplistic to assume that Governments have the peoples interests at heart. Governments have the Governments interest at heart. Not the same thing.
ADDED LATER.I have found that the situation regarding USA patents has much improved since 2003. Just what the situation is in other countries, I do not know. So what I am basically saying is that I wish you every success, but at all times watch your back and look before you leap.

Could you elaborate on what you found that lead you to think the situation regarding USA patents has improved since 2003? 

[neptune]

Ok, so much for politics and patents, back to technical matters.
Firstly, we have talk of a 200 volt device for electric cars . That is 200 volts DC. So this unit can not be used in its present form as a domestic power source. This can be overcome by the use of an inverter. Power Mosfets, which are one of the main components of an inverter are plentiful and cheap. Although our mains supply is AC, many domestic appliances actually convert this AC to DC before using it. So in time, when every appliance has its own built in power supply, this problem will disappear.
        Early models of Quenco look like being 2 volt or 12 volt . We could certainly use the 12 volt on an electric bike , either by rewinding the motor to use 12 volts, or by using a DC-DC converter. We may even be able to use the 2 volt version if enough amps are available . I am not sure if we could build a DC-DC coverter to run on 2 volts. Does anyone know?