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[profitis]

@sarkeizen nah i think you need to.go on buddy,find a friend to build you an oxygen electrode concentration cell and chek it out thoroughly then come back tomorrow and i,l address your complaints if you still have any.fair enough?

[lumen]

The problem I have is that everything falls under information theory.
A Maxwell demon, as it is claimed, would need to detect the more energetic atoms to know when to open the door and let them in, requiring more energy to sort than the energy gained in the captured energetic atoms.

So considering that even if there is no door, then any method to collect or determine the more energetic atoms, would still fall under information theory.

Then all systems that separate in any method more energetic atoms from the norm, would fall under information theory.

Finally because in entropy, the more energetic atoms disperse faster than the norm, in effect being separated first, entropy falls under information theory and does not work.

So now that we know that entropy does not work, ahh....well.....I suppose nothing works.
Or, maybe not everything falls under information theory!

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen nah i think you need to.go on buddy,find a friend to build you an oxygen electrode concentration cell and chek it out thoroughly then come back tomorrow and i,l address your complaints if you still have any.fair enough?

Um...my complaint is that you don't really have any argument here...and you're being a dick about it.   Beliefs must make observable predictions.  I don't have anyone to build the magical mystery device and even if I had one.  What prediction does it make with respect to 2LOT or quenco operating as claimed (which claims to be a 2LOT violating device). 

So aren't you just running away from the argument by creating an arbitrary requirement that you know I can't meet?

The problem I have is that everything falls under information theory.

I've tried to explain this to you before.  Saying "information theory says you can't build X" is no different than saying.  You can't build a device which can produce an integer solution for 4x + 5 = 0.   Why do you have trouble with the former and not the later?  Assuming you don't have a problem with the later.

i ) A Maxwell demon, as it is claimed, would need to detect the more energetic atoms to know when to open the door and let them in, requiring more energy to sort than the energy gained in the captured energetic atoms.

ii) So considering that even if there is no door, then any method to collect or determine the more energetic atoms, would still fall under information theory.

iii) Then all systems that separate in any method more energetic atoms from the norm, would fall under information theory.

iv) Finally because in entropy, the more energetic atoms disperse faster than the norm, in effect being separated first, entropy falls under information theory and does not work.

Magic.  You created an argument.  How unlike you.  I suspect your statement iv) has an error in it.  However it's pretty vague.  Please show, using an example how the energetic atoms end up in a separate container.

Or, maybe not everything falls under information theory!

Might as well say, not everything falls under logic.  You can try to live that way but you won't get very far.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen uhm,how about it uses two different work function materials to propell electrons from the lower work function material to the higher work function material on a continuous basis,sound familiar? Smooth platinum foil has a different work function than rough platinum foil therefore a different amount of oxygen gas saturates their surfaces under same conditions giving rise to an constant electrical potential difference.ie.quenco works. An active maxwell demon is not required for a 2lot breach,it can be totaly passive and let the higher energy particles flop into its hand,the degree of energy gain depending how high he holds his hand open.

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen uhm,how about it uses two different work function materials to propell electrons from the lower work function material to the higher work function material on a continuous basis

How about practicing being less vague?  Are you making an argument?  It sounds like you're just saying "it works".  You haven't actually explained how any of this violates 2LOT. 

Just as an aside isn't it strange you now seem really really interested in the very thing you just a few posts back mocked and harassed me for talking about.  You also accused me of deliberately attempting to shift the focus of the thread.   So now that you're focusing on it, does that make your behavior suspicious?

An active maxwell demon is not required for a 2lot breach,it can be totaly passive and let the higher energy particles flop into its hand,the degree of energy gain depending how high he holds his hand open.

Active and passive are distinctions without a difference.  Again if this was as simple as you say, a simple spring loaded trap door could do the same thing...and we know it can't.