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[sarkeizen]

Ive got a sharp eye for hidden entropy states

According to Philip you don't.  You missed something infantile and trivial so trivial that Philip who is not a field expert claims to sees it and he's also pretty bad at math and logic.  So your argument doesn't hold any water. 

[MarkE]

@mark E.imaginary world? So tell us then,please enlighten us scientists: what thehell is going to happen IF any self-discharge of that capacitor takes place.it seems you are claiming that it shall remain permanently chargedup on open switch,correct?

Have you completely abandoned any attempt to produce an actual argument for your scenario being thermodynamically reversible?

[MarkE]

profitis, why do you continue to argue with Sarkeizen? he openly admitted that he knows nothing about the subject, so I suggest you focus on the issues that MarkE is prepared to debate if you are going to progress your thought experiment.


MarkE has tried to obscure the debate by putting forward an argument that energy is expended by the operation of your imagined switch, you have argued that as the plates can be any size, the energy you claim they might harvest would exceed the fixed amount of energy to operate the said switch, your statement is valid but irrelevant, I will state here with absolute certainty that MarkE is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks the switch is the issue.


As to your statement that you might not agree with my explanation, that is rather provocative, all I can say is this thought experiment is rather trivial, that MarkE is having such difficulty despatching it tells me he is not an expert in either electrochemistry, physics or thermionics, I do believe MarkE is generally a person of some genuine scientific training and so he should be able resolve this thought experiment from first principles, but he will need to stop putting forward objections of formality of argument, or rusty and hard to operate switches.


I'll give you all until the end of the week to resolve the debate, otherwise you will all be humiliated by having to be told the really simple reasons that the arrangement cannot violate 2LOT.


Good luck.

Mr. Hardcastle, you can take all the pot shots that you like, but I will not second guess an argument profitis has yet to offer.  Should he ever construct an argument then I will deal with it.  At this juncture, profitis presents himself as having serious difficulty comprehending what reversibility means that he claims exists in his example.

[profitis]

I can hardly wait to hear your explanation phil.its not my intention to be provocative its just my nature to point out a loophole if I see or even suspect im seeing one.I imagine you've thought this one through or perhaps others have or maybe its just common knowledge amongst thermionics experts .yes sarkeizen doesn't seem to have any appreciation of scientific detail and will not debate on a science level itself which is a pity because he wouldve been exellent candidate for physics debates. he's good for peripheral debates around but not in physics itself.I think that mark E has some sort of generalized spread out knowledge on science but not sure if specific in any field.he may be intentionally deflecting or malingering as opposed to cutting to the chase yes.

[MarkE]

Profitis, you may at anytime you like actually present an argument that you purport supports your claim.  If you are accepting Mr. Hardcastle's position prior to even stating an argument:  then you are done before you have started.