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[Madebymonkeys]

Hi Everybody!

I am new to the forum but have many years experience in electronics in industry (electronic engineering within a semiconductor company). I currently run my own company in Cambridge, UK. I am not a physicist but do have limited knowledge and some good common sense (electronics HW is my thing)

I know this is probably a sore point at the moment (I know TK has had a hard time by lots of people for asking sensible questions - sorry TK, I know its frustrating to ask standard stuff but be reprimanded because of it - in real industry its normal to ask questions and normal to be skeptical) but I have to ask the following:

1. Does anyone have a link to a video showing quenco working - I know videos can conceal reality but it would be a good start!
2. Is the 30th Nov still on? If so, the quenco should already be manufactured otherwise he will likely need to reschedule.
3. He is working with Stanford Uni - have Stanford disclosed the relationship? If so, does anyone have a link?
4. To pull 20kW from a cm tile (as quoted as being possible) of quenco causes a lot of basic (to an engineer) issues. At, say a 10V output, this would equate to 2,000Amps. I havent done the math but thats a monster bit of cable to connect to a small tile. If we think differently and go for a 1V output then thats 20,000Amps - yikes! Once a bit of cable IS connected to the tile then the contact resistance (the resistance of the join between cable and quenco) will cause a massive increase in heat due to I2R losses. Has this been addressed?
5. There are devices appearing which harvest energy from heat fluctuations. Could the quenco effect simply be measurement errors and in fact its a number of small gradients over many surfaces (layers of quenco). If so, I am not so sure that 'layering up' the quenco will have any net benefit since the outer layers will insulate the inner ones. This is all speculation by me, I am no physicist and dont fully understand the mechanism behind how quenco is proposed to work. Does anyone know a physicist who can comment? PJH doesnt count, needs to be a 3rd party.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/21/thermal-nanotechnology-harvest-electricity/

SO, there you have it, my first post on OU - dont be too harsh, there arent any weird questions above - just sensible ones which havent been answered yet! Would love to get more answers!!!

Also, really, if he hasnt got the quenco manufactured as of today its not going to be much of a show on the 30th IMO  - manufacturing a 2nm film and packaging it such that its possible to connect even a small wire to it aint trivial.

For the record, I am a skeptic but desperately want to be proven wrong....please

Thanks for listening!

MBM

[trim12]

MadebymonkeysHi, the last I heard Phil was still going for Nov. 30th but not being an American he overlooked the thanksgiving break which puts him under more pressure with less time then he thought.
He tried to get Quenco chip fabricated in Australia but unfortunately couldn't get the nano levels of a low work function metal oxide centimetre area chip flat enough.
So he went (at his own cost) to try to get a smaller less ambitious chip made at Staford University.
He and others tested his theory on a pentode ingeniously trying to block out all obvious sources of the micro current they got between thermo homogenous electrodes. (no cold sink).
I also really wish him and us all well.

[lumen]

The way I understand all the events up to this point is that he has already determined ALD and PVD times and the process is proven to work.

He has then ordered enough material to make a larger quantity for distribution to the licensees and to construct the demo device for the launch on Nov 30. (I believe he had the material at some time last week NOV 12 or so)

These are only single layer chips about 3mm diameter and the demo device will require about 25 to 50 chips to reach the 5.1v @ 3 amps required for the demo device.

Multilayer chips will be made as some point to get the voltage up to 50-100v but the process for this will be left to the chip manufactures.

That's the way I see everything up to this point!

[Madebymonkeys]

Thanks guys,

You know, if he went for a larger tile he could have had it profiled and sliced the 'flattest', best parts out of the 'die'. Nobody goes for broke and tries to fabricate individual parts although this is a new process I guess.

I know the 30th is just round the corner when the big reveal will happen but, assuming nothing happens, can anyone shed more light on my questions?

With multilayer chips could these simply be stacked with insulators between? Sounds relatively easy. The interconnect and packaging hasn't been mentioned though?

Thanks.

MBM

[Elisha]

@madebymonkeys

1- No, there is no working videos of quenco at this time, we hope this for the launch day !
2-  Be patience, the November 30 is the day.
3- Philip is working with the university of stanford, but not for the university, is a development with Philip own budget.
4- the 10kw from a single cm2 of quenco, is for hi voltage like 100v or 200V with hundreds of Quenco layers,  yes we know the problem to get out this quantity of power, but is just engineering, the biggest problem is the way to put so many heat in a single cm2.  Yes a lot of people here and philip know about the ohm law of current.
5- No the quenco dont work by fluctuations of heat (one side cold the another one side hot), quenco work in single hot reservoir (ambient heat).  Quenco work by thermionic and quantum tunnel mechanics.
6- Multilayer is another engineering problem for the quenco research and development center.

The problem know is have a Quenco single layer, all our best wishes for the success of Philip in november 30 2012, This is a invention that will easy the transition for a new society based in the human in harmony with the Nature !  God Bless Philip!