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[lumen]

Thanks for that, useful.
With the thermal modelling did you discover a point which determines the max power available given an infinitely large heatsink?
Also, is there any dissipation in the barrier and what's the temp difference on either side of the barrier - assuming the quoted figures for the 1cm^3?

Many thanks
Mbm

The goal when I started was to see if it was possible to extract a good amount of power and not go below the freezing point so the heat sink would not ice up.
Extracting about 500W over the cm2 would lower the contact point to about 40F even if the rest of the heat sink was near ambient temp of 70F so at 60F ambient, you could reach freezing at the contact point.

The solution was to slice the cm2 chip into 20 parts, each one .5mm x 1cm,  and place them over a large area. This provided a large periphery area that allowed the heat to flow into the chips easier.

With the sliced chip 5000W could be drawn with about the same 30F drop.

So there are methods to increase the thermal input even with the limited conduction of copper heat sinks.

[forcefield]

Suppose you can prove that no algorithm can exist to accomplish something.  Do you believe that means that no device can be built to accomplish the same goal?

It might be possible to build a device that can't be modeled with an algorithm.  But, I think it might also be verging on Creation itself.  (In the beginning, it seems that there must have either been something, or there must have been nothing.  If there was something, where did it come from?  If there was nothing, then how did something come from that?)  Is there an algorithm that models Creation?

I don't believe that Quenco can work.  But, if it does, I think the ramifications are deeper than we can begin to imagine.

[Madebymonkeys]

So here's a question for you MBM.  Let me know what you think...

Suppose you can prove that no algorithm can exist to accomplish something.  Do you believe that means that no device can be built to accomplish the same goal?

If you could be sure of there being no algo possible then it would stand to reason that the device would not be possible.

I ain't sure if there is an algo for Quenco as a 'system' but there are algo's for bits of it.

From my point of view it all appears unlikely to become reality although parts appear to be proven......kind of like time travel and other weird stuff are proven on paper but there is no way to practically implement it.

Still interesting to talk about but ultimately very unlikely to appear in store soon!

[sarkeizen]

It might be possible to build a device that can't be modeled with an algorithm.  But, I think it might also be verging on Creation itself.

Firstly I'll just clarify something.  What I'm talking about is a device that does something for which it can be proved that no algorithm exists.  For example you can prove that there is no deterministic general algorithm to determine if a computer program will end.

If you think you could build such a device then you should ask yourself: "What would such a device be constructed with?" if it is made from parts whose action is well understood (that is the input states and corresponding output states are known) within the context of the device.  Then you could write an algorithm which would emulate how these components operate in the device.  (e.g. If your device used two gears fixed to two different axels, you could replace the gears with a human following an algorithm.  The human would observe one axle turning and turn the other axle in the same proportion that the gears would have).  So the only kinds of components you can't emulate are ones where the action is not well understood within the context of the device.  In other words given an expected input, you don't necessarily know the outputs.  Such a machine could not produce a deterministic result.

If you could be sure of there being no algo possible then it would stand to reason that the device would not be possible.

I ain't sure if there is an algo for Quenco as a 'system' but there are algo's for bits of it.

So the next question to ask yourself is:  "Is Quenco a Maxwell's Demon machine?" - that is "Does it reduce entropy in an isothermal environment?"

kind of like time travel and other weird stuff are proven on paper but there is no way to practically implement it.

Like a Tippler Cylinder?  IMHO things like that are more like saying "If you could break physical law in one respect, you can break it in another".

[Madebymonkeys]

Firstly I'll just clarify something.  What I'm talking about is a device that does something for which it can be proved that no algorithm exists.  For example you can prove that there is no deterministic general algorithm to determine if a computer program will end.

If you think you could build such a device then you should ask yourself: "What would such a device be constructed with?" if it is made from parts whose action is well understood (that is the input states and corresponding output states are known) within the context of the device.  Then you could write an algorithm which would emulate how these components operate in the device.  (e.g. If your device used two gears fixed to two different axels, you could replace the gears with a human following an algorithm.  The human would observe one axle turning and turn the other axle in the same proportion that the gears would have).  So the only kinds of components you can't emulate are ones where the action is not well understood within the context of the device.  In other words given an expected input, you don't necessarily know the outputs.  Such a machine could not produce a deterministic result.So the next question to ask yourself is:  "Is Quenco a Maxwell's Demon machine?" - that is "Does it reduce entropy in an isothermal environment?"Like a Tippler Cylinder?  IMHO things like that are more like saying "If you could break physical law in one respect, you can break it in another".

As I have said, I don't believe it will be the power source of the future but I don't understand the QM's of it - my thoughts about its success are based on stuff I have heard on this forum and others. I do know a little about its practicalities as a system and getting any power out of it - that seems like a challenge.

I just don't get the power density and how it's possible other than on paper.

Better ask an expert (I have and it's not going to work - I should ask them to summarise in a few paragraphs because!)