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[Regster]

You can check for some specific cases sure, or some restricted environments but you can not determinstically check for all cases.

Could you define "deterministically" as it applies to a human thought process vs this program you are thinking about?

Is that supposed to be an insult?

Why would it be?  Do you feel insulted by the context?  Why?

[sarkeizen]

"WillThisEnd()" does not make a prediction.

*yawn* Miriam-Webster says a prediction is "to declare or indicate in advance".  Did WillThisEndOnSelf() end before WillThisEnd(WillThisEndOnSelf,WillThisEndOnSelf) returned?  Nope.  So how is this not declaring something in advance and therefore a prediction?

What does that have to do with anything?

Again, you are looking out of the scope of the function.

As usual you're providing no detail here like a douche.  The fact remains that if we use the definition of the problem set out at the beginning which you eagerly agreed to because you thought you were sooooooooooooo much smarter than everyone who has studied computer science....ever (or whatever) the program meets the requirements.  If you want to CHANGE the requirements and limit the program,data or environment in some way.  Then there are ways to write code to do this.   You did say "any garbage" even "random bytes".  Clearly you understood what you were getting into and you were WRONG!

But it is your story, so whatever you say.

It's simply true.  If you want to live in denial go ahead.  If you have a counter-argument that isn't stupid please share it....or is it time for you to concede the point?

You see everyone is a welder, but not everyone can weld.

And we're back to you delivering personal slights by obtuse metaphor you must be feeling happier now that you have convinced yourself that this is all just trickery by me.  Even though every one of your attempted counter arguments died based on assumptions that you approved.

[DreamThinkBuild]

Sarkeizen,

What are you hoping to accomplish?

The code will go no where, it's turtles all the way down.

while(true)
{
    try
    {
        AddMoreTurtles(this);
    }
    catch(System.OutOfTurtles Ex)
    {
        Debug.Write("Function failed due to,
        too many turtles or not enough turtles
        in the system, depending on your theory of the origination or spawning of said virtual turtles.")
        break;
    }
}

[sarkeizen]

Could you define "deterministically" as it applies to a human thought process vs this program you are thinking about?

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean.  I'll try to define "deterministically" as best as I can thought.

Deterministically means that the program needs to be able to produce the same output all the time regardless of the input or system state.  for example lumen, the human douche says his program will produce a correct result with my code if he could change when it is being called.  This is a violation of determinism.

Why would it be?

Well you made a comment stating my assertion was wrong and followed up with a comment about some alleged characteristic. It's not entirely unreasonable to suspect that you were implying a correlation between my profession and the alleged wrongness of my assertion.

[Regster]

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean.  I'll try to define "deterministically" as best as I can thought.

Deterministically means that the program needs to be able to produce the same output all the time regardless of the input or system state.  for example lumen, the human douche says his program will produce a correct result with my code if he could change when it is being called.  This is a violation of determinism.

Your statement was that it is impossible to write a program to determine whether another, abitrary program, will end or not.   Considering that we are starting with a single set of values and no chance of anything changing, this would be an achievable, but time consuming project.

Well you made a comment stating my assertion was wrong and followed up with a comment about some alleged characteristic. It's not entirely unreasonable to suspect that you were implying a correlation between my profession and the alleged wrongness of my assertion.

I noticed that you guys were speaking freely in Javascriptesque whilst coveting C, that's all.  Are you a web developer?