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[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen: Do you think that Philip Hardcastle will be convinced by whatever you write?

I'm not sure.  Oddly he does appear to read what I post here.  Some of the quentron web page changes match arguments I've made here pretty clearly.  For example when I mocked his "Theory" page for not properly understanding how some information theory arguments against Maxwell's Demon worked he made changes to the quenco page adding arguments about the demon "running out of paper".   He specifically mentioned "people who quote Feynman" on the quenco site after I mentioned Feynman's "first law" and his offer of adult entertainment wasn't taken off until it was posted here.

That could, of course all be co-incidence.  However I'm not that interested in convincing Philip.

I'd like to see the OU fanboi's actually break out of their stupid "have patience" arguments.  Bruce_TPU is almost on the edge if he let's himself entertain some of the questions that he so-far refuses to let himself think about.

The fact of the matter is that in life we are constantly faced with having to make decisions without fully knowing.  Decisions under uncertainty is what some math texts refer to this as and if I can help pry open the iron box of faith that many people here keep their rationality in - even a little then I would think that's a good thing.   On top of the entertainment value of this thread of course...like watching lumen try to solve something that computer scientists proved impossible 70 years ago.

Some of the "nature is the only law" rhetoric is amusing too.

[Elisha]

Typical of the selfish nature of human beings, highlighting the failures of a human being, as stated before, "see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not see the beam in your own eye", "he who is without sin cast the first stone".  Always see the good qualities of the people not the bad, because if you only see the bad, then do not take advantage of good and stay in the same place forever.   If you want to correct someone, look in the mirror and recognize your flaws then first Fix you !.

Apparently Philip began to joke with his page, making allusions to an adult magazine and the famous diabolical number 666, which is just a number. (And no one fell in the joke about the 666, but yes in the adult magazine joke).

Please Focus on science, and made ​​the experiment of 10$, professional or not, you can not talk about something you have not experienced it yourself, but you run the risk of philosophies and mental constructs, which have nothing to do with science.

[sarkeizen]

Typical of the selfish nature of human beings

Your moralizing is equally, if not significantly more selfish and less useful than my critique of Philip's science and his person.

highlighting the failures of a human being

When they are pertinent to the thing being discussed or are you advocating acting as if Philip never failed at anything?  I think there's some obvious problems with that approach.

as stated before, "see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not see the beam in your own eye"

Yes, stated before...by ME.  The point of the text is that someone wants to CORRECT something that they have a significantly larger problem with.  It in fact does not say that you should never take corrective action.  In fact the very next verse says to remove the mote once having removed your log.

As it stands there's no reason, certainly none highlighted by you in your needlessly vague posts that the things I'm talking about are something I have a problem with.  I have no web page which offers burlesque to educational institutions.

"he who is without sin cast the first stone".  Always see the good qualities of the people not the bad, because if you only see the bad, then do not take advantage of good and stay in the same place forever.

That's a particularly poor interpretation of the text.  What is being talked about there is executing judgement, particularly to the fullest-extent of the law.  This isn't a case of law - although a sermon like this might be particularly useful to someone like Philip who seems pretty eager to sue people or bully them with threats of lawsuits.

If you want to correct someone, look in the mirror and recognize your flaws then first Fix you !.

In the particular case.  The text is not talking about fixing your foot-fetish (or whatever) before telling people not to murder.   So unless you can point out where we are doing the things Philip is doing.  You don't have much of a case.

Apparently Philip began to joke with his page, making allusions to an adult magazine and the famous diabolical number 666, which is just a number. (And no one fell in the joke about the 666, but yes in the adult magazine joke).

How is saying that you will give someone a 1 year subscription to playboy/girl an "allusion" in any useful sense of the term?

Please Focus on science

Same criticism could be leveled very heavily on YOU.  We have been talking about science - information theory, algorithmic complexity and you said: "...." the only time you've shown up is to moralize.  That is not contributing.  That is not focusing on the science.   Mote -> Us, Log -> YOU.

you can not talk about something you have not experienced it yourself

Wrong in every sense of the word. I can talk very, very intelligently about someones machine that claims to deterministicly tell you if any computer program will end.  I never have to see it.  I can still PROVE that it is not doing what it says it does.

but you run the risk of philosophies and mental constructs, which have nothing to do with science.

Karl Popper would disagree and he probably knows more about the subject that you ever will.

[Madebymonkeys]

Typical of the selfish nature of human beings, highlighting the failures of a human being, as stated before, "see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not see the beam in your own eye", "he who is without sin cast the first stone".  Always see the good qualities of the people not the bad, because if you only see the bad, then do not take advantage of good and stay in the same place forever.   If you want to correct someone, look in the mirror and recognize your flaws then first Fix you !.

Apparently Philip began to joke with his page, making allusions to an adult magazine and the famous diabolical number 666, which is just a number. (And no one fell in the joke about the 666, but yes in the adult magazine joke).

Please Focus on science, and made ​​the experiment of 10$, professional or not, you can not talk about something you have not experienced it yourself, but you run the risk of philosophies and mental constructs, which have nothing to do with science.

He probably offended some people with that 'joke' - for no reason either! He took what he sold as 'professional' and made it ridiculous!

Oh, and the $10 experiment needs $100,000 worth of equipment to do properly - given that the website is now a joke, nobody is going to do this experiment and get anything meaningful from it.

[TinselKoala]

Typical of the selfish nature of human beings, highlighting the failures of a human being, as stated before, "see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not see the beam in your own eye", "he who is without sin cast the first stone".  Always see the good qualities of the people not the bad, because if you only see the bad, then do not take advantage of good and stay in the same place forever.   If you want to correct someone, look in the mirror and recognize your flaws then first Fix you !.

Apparently Philip began to joke with his page, making allusions to an adult magazine and the famous diabolical number 666, which is just a number. (And no one fell in the joke about the 666, but yes in the adult magazine joke).

Please Focus on science, and made ​​the experiment of 10$, professional or not, you can not talk about something you have not experienced it yourself, but you run the risk of philosophies and mental constructs, which have nothing to do with science.

I think YOU should do the 10$ experiment, Elisha. If you want to correct someone.... look in the mirror. You can not talk about something if you have not experienced it yourself... so let's see your work.