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[tagor]

@sarkeizen.we can use any word you want,it wont change the fact that the thermometer gets hotter than any point in the room thus proving beyond all doubt a perpetual motion numero duo.the entropy of the system decreases spontaneously.i suggest you try this experiment

what do you want to proof with this experiment ?

using a candle you get the same thing !

[tagor]

@tagor.true yes but if you had taken care to read my last msg properly you would see that im talkin about the FOCAL POINT of a curved piece of tinfoil.the thermometer is precisely on that point,above the foil.its gona get hotter.@sarkeizen i,l use a difrent word to flatter you.do you agree that heat-rays will be focused at the FOCAL POINT of a curved mirror by the curved mirror in a isothermal room.if not why not.

if you want you can concentrate heat ...
but with alufoil it is better to concentrate cold

[Mr Logic]

It's been some time since I was more involved with this area so would need to search my distant memory, but the main example was the circular engine which ran when flushed through with water. Unfortunately although it demonstrated the principle it corroded the metal as a result, and would have needed some kind of inert alloy to have carried on. But if you can use water to run an engine once then you can do it full stop.
I already worked out in theory the magnetic repulsion motor which doesn't even need any unknown sources of power, and if nothing else could at least be used to generate power . I did also wonder about a closed system using capillary action, with fabric lifting up liquid and dropping it back into a pool, and would hardly evaporate or degrade the fabric if synthetic. It wouldn't generate power but would appear to keep going a pretty long time.

I also know a retired electrical engineer who is working on non-ferrous magnetism he has discovered, where rotating any material can generate a magnetic field. He seems to think this has the potential for all sorts of generation but as he is in his late 80s with many health problems it isn't possible to get it all done at the rate he'd like to. He also believes a similar mechanism should reverse gravity by stripping electrons from objects, making them the opposite polarity and being repelled by normal matter. Of course he'd be better explaining all this for himself but he's not great with computers and also not English and has trouble with his translation. I have encouraged him to document all this while he can and am hoping there will eventually be something others can work on.

Otherwise I've checked out various reports and every so often picked up something which made sense, and the only reason they weren't constructed as finished products was most were like the water engine where certain phenomena had been discovered but not possible to harness them without a huge amount of expensive resources very few normal people had access to or could get. But I've come across enough pieces of the picture to be fairly confident there is a pretty infinite source of free energy we can very easily tap if we work out how, and of course the final class of failures are the many trusting and extremely poor businessmen who are conned or worse by 'sponsors' whose sole aim is to get their product off the system altogether. Look at the Tesla tower for the first and best example. People still seem confused (including me) whether the power generated was done internally or simply used to pass on existing power from one place to another, but proved if nothing else when you get a system which does work and at a fraction of the normal cost no one will fund it. JP Morgan pulled his funding as soon as he discovered you couldn't charge customers for the electricity received, so removed a system which if nothing else would have saved billions on cabling worldwide. And if it did self-generate trillions in power.

[profitis]

@tagor the tinfoil experiment proves that you can raise the temperature of something with no effort,fuel,electricity or sun. if you make your tinfoil into a realy good cone shape it,l raise the thermometer by a good few degrees kelvin.@sarkeizen ok lets examine the voltaic pile called the 'karpen pile'named after its romanian inventor.that really is a very visible and macroscopic 2LOT buster.take a strip of gold and a strip of platinum and shove them into sulfuric acid solution and hook up a microampmeter to both electrodes and chek how a capacitance develops between these electrodes that can be repeatedly discharged ad infinitum.neither gold nor platinum has the slightest solubility in H2SO4 solution.a clearcut 2nd law violation.

[trim12]

Can you please send me the electrodes when you have finished?