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[sarkeizen]

@tagor the tinfoil experiment proves that you can raise the temperature of something with no effort,fuel,electricity or sun.

Done in an isothermal environment maybe.  Have you done it in an isothermal environment?

@sarkeizen ok lets examine the voltaic pile

No, let's finish talking about your tinfoil.  Describe your tinfoil inside a device which violates 2LOT.

[profitis]

@trim12... no. @sarkeizen the best way to judge if we have second law buster is if the device does practical work for us so lets leave the tinfoil experiment and focus on karpen,s battery,which can and will power your kitchen clock for the next 100years so lets put about ten such cells in series and lets hook them up to your clock ok?   

[profitis]

@sarkeizen.better yet lets short circuit a karpen cell for one month and then put it in your clock ok?

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen the best way to judge if we have second law buster is if the device does practical work for

Wrong in every aspect but that's because you're stupid. The best way to judge is if you can control for every significant variable.  That's hard to do outside of a laboratory.  So the next best thing is a thought experiment. 

You claimed that the tinfoil absolutely smashes the 2nd law.   Thus you should be able to describe a device which uses it to break the 2nd law.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen.wrong.the way to judge is if the energy gained is disproportionate to the variables coz as you say its difficult to get a perfect isothermal system.nonetheless lets put a thermopile at the focal point of the tinfoil in a average house room and 20 other thermopiles scattered round the room.you will see a few microamps emerge from the thermopile in front the foil and zero or near zero current from the rest.are you gona tell me that some random fluctuation of temperature is doing that 99percent of the time?