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[profitis]

A) is this a trick question?you gota be kidding me man.B)a real-life maxwell demon is a totaly passive thing @sarkeizen.for example,you get some types of perpetuum mobile using osmosis membranes.these let water through but hold salts back,without erasing information,without active sorting.you are going to have to integrate passive demons into your theories if necessary.C) well i had to resort to explaining everything via the nernst equation but i see now that that wont even be necessary because of this wiki article.i should thank you for pressuring me into discovering this little jewel @sarkeizen so let me use it ok?

[sarkeizen]

A) is this a trick question?

I don't see how.  Either you spent an eternal amount of time observing your battery run or you did not.  Please answer.

a real-life maxwell demon is a totaly passive thing

Wrong.  Absolutely nothing about MD necessitates it's totally passive or active (examples of both have appeared in the literature if you actually took the time to read instead of working hard at being the worlds largest moron)  So again, Philip appeared to state that his device is in fact a MD device.  In which case information theory and complexity theory say he is wrong.  Again these are so much stronger than Philips fairy dust.  It is more rational to consider him simply in error.

so let me use it ok?

You can't use it to support the statement you made.  If you want to discuss ANOTHER DIFFERENT statement. fine but first ADMIT you can not support the statement you made.  Anything can happen from that point on.

[profitis]

A) see.i knew it was a trick question.who is eternal enough to watch eternity @sarkeizen?all machines must break someday(angry neighbor,kids,pets).this doesnt mean they,re not useful right? B)did phillip appear to state it or did he state it @sarkeizen.i dont see him hammering that idea but lets chat about it anyway coz its interesting.how does a passive demon interfere with information theory?does information theory require erasure of information or not @sarkeizen.i can see some sort of information erasure when switching a quenco on and off i.e. one entropy state 'forgets' or 'overrides'the other when switched.an electrical entropy need overrides a temperature entropy need in that case only so long as there is electrical contact. C) I can use it-look: wikipedia acknowledges the existance of an oxygen concentration cell.wikipedia acknowledges it can exist under ambient conditions.wikipedia acknowledges that its potential arises due to differing exposure to oxygen.3 givens for an ambient pressure gaseous concentration cell.this sustains my statement about such cells by following rules about such cells.we conclude that wikipedia info sustains an cell that violates kelvins statement.

[sarkeizen]

A) see.i knew it was a trick question.who is eternal enough to watch eternity

Is that a "No, I didn't observe it operating eternally Or Yes, I did observe it operating for an eternal period of time"?  Unlike your questions, you clearly had to be doing one or the other.

B)did phillip appear to state it or did he state it

He said his machine sorts molecules based on their heat.  That's what MD did.  Your problem is you think "passive" and "active" are meaningful distinctions from complexity theory or information theory...and they aren't.  There is no distinction.

I can use it-look

Sorry, not interested.  If you can't admit that you lost the "Any electrochemistry textbook" argument.   That you are unable to support your position with any electrochemistry text.    Then I see no reason that you will admit you are wrong in some other argument.  When you man up, then we can discuss something else.

I guess it's still fun to see you backed against the wall and afraid to answer my questions.  Keep it up.

[profitis]

A)you didnt answer my question with a yes or no so why should i answer your question with a yes or no @sarkeizen.answer my question first then i,l answer your question.do you think it is rational for a science teacher to ask a student to build a wikipedia-based oxygen concentration cell.yes or no. B)well i can tell you straight,an osmosis membrane distinguishes molecules wether a kelvin violation or not.how does that affect your theory? C) i can use the nernst equation to prove a kelvin violation.you would think that that involves all electrochemisty textbooks.and,i can use wikipedia to build a kelvin violation.you would think that its perhaps you up against a wall?