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[MarkE]

Profitis it you won't be held to your own statements, then you define yourself, and not well at all.

In the meantime, it has been four days already and there is no sign that you will be coming up with that reference that you promised Feb. 14:

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« Reply #2118 on: February 14, 2014, 03:25:30 PM »

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im going to have to hunt for one mark E. But dont you think that the o2 potential on the anode is diluted by the larger surface area of submerged electrode surface and the potential more concentrated on the cathode with less area for charge distribution?

[profitis]

lol mark E maybe your on my side here.just integrate diffusion co-efficients of oxygen species into the nernst equation from the gorgeous BUTLER-VOLMER classic equation (see wikipedia) and we get for an o2 electrode that deviates from standard reversability due to kinetics : O2 + 4H+ + 4e- >kf/kb< 2H2O where kf and kb are the rate constants of forward and backward reactions respectively. Integrated thus: E for oxygen electrode = RT/nFe ln kf/kb + RT/nFe ln c[H+] c[H2O]/c[O2]  where concentration of water is taken as unity.thus we see how kinetic diffusion constraints directly affect the REST potential of an gaseous electrode,the difference in diffusion constraints between 2 same such electrodes giving rise to a REST potential difference.

[MarkE]

lol mark E maybe your on my side here.just integrate diffusion co-efficients of oxygen species into the nernst equation from the gorgeous BUTLER-VOLMER classic equation (see wikipedia) and we get for an o2 electrode that deviates from standard reversability due to kinetics : O2 + 4H+ + 4e- >kf/kb< H2O where kf and kb are the rate constants of forward and backward reactions respectively. Integrated thus: E for oxygen electrode = RT/nFe ln kf/kb + RT/nFe ln c[H+] c[H2O]/c[O2]  where concentration of water is taken as unity.thus we see how kinetic diffusion constraints directly affect the REST potential of an gaseous electrode,the difference in diffusion constraints between 2 same such electrodes giving rise to a REST potential difference.

Equations are all fine and well when applied to the appropriate circumstances.  Time keeps ticking by and that cite your were going to locate seems no closer.  In the meantime, in that quote of yours I cited you relied upon an infinite supply of reagents to keep the reaction from stopping when the feed stock exhausts.  Everything you have talked about so far, in the absence of external energy, keeps driving towards equilibrium not away from equilibrium. 

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where did i say theres a drive away from equilibrium @mark E? No i agree with you,it goes straight to equilibrium,one of two equilibriums,an electrochemical one OR a gaseous diffusion one.you just choose which one at a flick of a switch.you cannot just dismiss the butler-volmer equation as it applies directly here proving you wrong about zero rest potential,and proving you right about a kelvin breach..

[MarkE]

where did i say theres a drive away from equilibrium @mark E? No i agree with you,it goes straight to equilibrium,one of two equilibriums,an electrochemical one OR a gaseous diffusion one.you just choose which one at a flick of a switch.you cannot just dismiss the butler-volmer equation as it applies directly here proving you wrong about zero rest potential,and proving you right about a kelvin breach..

Since I haven't ever uttered the words on this forum:  "zero rest potential" how can I be either right or wrong about such a thing?

Let me know if you ever find that reference you promised.  I'll give it about three more days before I conclude that you can't find one.