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Started by Philip Hardcastle, April 04, 2012, 05:00:30 AM

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profitis

I have clearly defined the parameters @mark E.the above system is sitting in a single thermal reservoir and shooting electric charge backwards and forewards,against the 2nd law. you close the switch,charge seperation results,and with it brief temperature change(current flows).you open the switch,prior equilibrium is re- established.as simple as that.you have to now show us why the charged capacitor won't leak across the vaccuum gap when the switch is open.if your not able to do this then we must conclude full reversability.

MarkE

Quote from: profitis on June 09, 2014, 12:38:41 PM
I have clearly defined the parameters @mark E.the above system is sitting in a single thermal reservoir and shooting electric charge backwards and forewards,against the 2nd law. you close the switch,charge seperation results,and with it brief temperature change(current flows).you open the switch,prior equilibrium is re- established.as simple as that.you have to now show us why the charged capacitor won't leak across the vaccuum gap when the switch is open.if your not able to do this then we must conclude full reversability.
Sorry, but I can ring a tank circuit all day long and the Second Law stands unperturbed.  Again, if you wish to show reversibility, you need to show both:  the two thermodynamic states that the system can move between, and that the system can move between those states in either direction without external input.  If you labor under the mistaken idea that you can operate the switch for zero energy and extract energy each time you cycle that switch, then you have a lot of work ahead of you to try and show that your idea is correct, because it isn't.

profitis

Its a thought experiment in an ideal box @mark E but if you can't directly smash this lil example then who knows,perhaps we can take it out the box to the practical level.the capacitance can be made arbitrarily large so your switch complaint falls out immediately.as for your two states: one entropy state is the electrochemical entropy gradient.the other entropy state is the diffusion gradient.two gradients at loggerheads.wikipedia insists that all capacitors leak,why should this one be the exception @mark E.

MarkE

Quote from: profitis on June 09, 2014, 02:39:04 PM
Its a thought experiment in an ideal box @mark E but if you can't directly smash this lil example then who knows,perhaps we can take it out the box to the practical level.the capacitance can be made arbitrarily large so your switch complaint falls out immediately.as for your two states: one entropy state is the electrochemical entropy gradient.the other entropy state is the diffusion gradient.two gradients at loggerheads.wikipedia insists that all capacitors leak,why should this one be the exception @mark E.
Round and round we go:  You make an outrageous assertion.  You fail to back your assertion.  You insist that it is up to others to do your work.  Sorry, dude.  Do the work, or don't do the work.  Your argument has no basis as long as you don't do the work.

profitis

Wikipedia doesn't back my assertion that the fully charged capacitor will leak @mark E? Wikipedia backs my assertion that the fully charged capacitor in THAT or any diagram will leak mr E.your saying that it will hold its charge permanently.your saying that when that switch is open NO leakage whatsoever will occur.I don't believe you @mark E.