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[sarkeizen]

Let me get this straight..you want me to argue for an energy-related information device without adressing energy?

So I took my Banana Sr. computer out of storage.  It's a banana related computer - it's like a regular computer except that it stores it's information by placing/removing quantities of bananas in boxes instead of placing/removing quantities in digital memory and reads information by counting bananas in those same boxes again in lieu of reading quantities from digital memory.  So you claim that in order to talk  about an algorithm running on a banana related computer I absolutely have to discuss the qualities of bananas.   This, of course means that you are bananas.

If your assertion is true and it's ABSOLUTELY and ALWAYS AND FOREVER NECESSARY to know about some quality of the information.  Then you should be able to tell me the qualities of the bananas that I need to keep in mind when running this machine.  If not then you agree that it is NOT NECESSARY to know about the way information is encoded in order to discuss it's use in algorithms.

QED.  Loser.

[lumen]

I'm not talking about Maxwell's Demon at all.  Not in the tiniest aspect. In fact at no point in this short exchange between you and I do I even mention it.  I'm talking about complexity theory and in particular the BBBV theorem.  Which states the maximal speedup for a quantum device is O(n^1/2).   Philip's device is using quantum mechanics to do it's work.  You say Philips device sorts instantaneously.  Therefore it is providing a quantum speedup better than O(n^1/2) hence.  It is not a quantum device.  Thus Philip's device can not work.

Isn't it interesting how utterly lost you get when you don't have something to misinterpret?

Sorry, but I just can't hold back on the stupidity of that theorem!
I can take white light and separate all the photons into a perfect spectrum based on their own energy level using only a prism that requires no energy except the energy of the photons themselves.

So I must agree, it's bullshit and that theorem is proven wrong.
It only takes one instance to prove a theory wrong.

[sarkeizen]

Sorry, but I just can't hold back on the stupidity of that theorem!

One you never read, in a field you've never studied.    Let's see how that works out for you.

I can take white light and separate all the photons into a perfect spectrum based on their own energy level using only a prism that requires no energy except the energy of the photons themselves.

Any reason you think this violates the theorem I'm referencing?  I'm guessing the answer is "no" because you seem to think this has something to do with "requiring energy".  Which it doesn't, which you would know if you read the paper.  Which you won't because it's beyond your ability.

It only takes one instance to prove a theory wrong.

a) A theorem is different than a theory.  A theorem is a mathematical proof.
b) I'm pretty sure that considering you are incapable of restating the theorem usefully in your own words.  Excludes you from the list of people who are capable of presenting a counter-example.

[profitis]

Sarkeizen:'If your assertion is true and it's ABSOLUTELY and
ALWAYS AND FOREVER NECESSARY to know about
some quality of the information.  Then you should be
able to tell me the qualities of the bananas that I
need to keep in mind when running this machine.'

Your banana-bytes only function in 3-d reality(off-paper) if there's energy involved mr sarkeizen.we have to adapt a dynamic state to your desired photographic needs.  a quenco demon can be on-off at the same time same as a karpen demon.this happens under constant-current steady-states.this an example of wave-particle duality at work where a demon can be sorting hot from cold at the same time.so the recognition is infact instantaneous.how does this affect your bananas then mr sarkeizen,a dual-bit recognition,simultaneously.

[profitis]

'ABSOLUTELY and
ALWAYS AND FOREVER NECESSARY to know about
some quality of the information.'

This isnot necessary for a demon hovvering between the quantum(wave-like) and non-quantum(kinetic particle-like) worlds. Uncertainty principle applies here and the demon acts on instinct rather than calculation and makes a two-bit sort simultaneously.