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Started by Philip Hardcastle, April 04, 2012, 05:00:30 AM

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sarkeizen

Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2015, 08:14:29 PM
Well sir it will be a damn good performance? :)
So before you were able to give the performance of a quenco down to quadrillenths of a second.  Now you can't?

LOL - you are such a faker. :)

lumen

Quote from: sarkeizen on April 21, 2015, 08:21:31 PM
Glad you admit that you've been avoiding the other questions. :)So let me get this straight.  You believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a PRNG in a computer to simulate a quenco but if you replace the PRNG with a thermal-noise RNG it can. Yet for any arbitrarily long run of a thermal-noise RNG there exists a PRNG which produces the same output. 

Hence your desire to fetishize thermal-noise RNGs aside.  They are not necessary to simulate a quenco.  QED.

I wasn't avoiding any questions, you simply refused to hear the answer.
In fact you always play the same role in some attempt to show how much you think you know by putting words in my mouth.
The fact is the RNG or the PRNG would suffice as the input for random electron energy level in a computer simulation, but what I was pointing to was the simulation of the environment and the acceptance of the RNG or white noise generator as operating similar to a quenco.
So can a computer simulate a quenco?  Think about electrons sorting themselves by their energy levels like photons through a prism.
Can a computer simulate a prism?

The computer can simulate, it just can't emulate.

profitis

Sarkeizen'So before you were able to give the performance of a quenco down to quadrillenths of a second.  Now you can't?'

Are you kidding? A multiquenco brain is going to slow down the more algorythms it does.same as a computer(hey there's those words of mine again :) )

profitis

Here's a riddle for everyone: is a ipod computers brain reacting or calculating.

sarkeizen

Quote from: lumen on April 21, 2015, 11:14:03 PM
I wasn't avoiding any questions
You were asked:  Do you think you can simulate this random crashing and sorting of a quenco on a computer?
You said:
Quote from: lumen on April 21, 2015, 11:23:13 AM
No, a computer cannot simulate random.
You were asked: So even if I have a PRNG which is guaranteed to go through ALL POSSIBLE PERMUTATIONS.  We are not going to see even ONE instance of the sorting behavior of a quenco?  That's what you contend?
You continued with focusing on thermal-noise RNG's vs PRNGS .  Since I assume that you are trying to answer the question (and not avoiding it) You seem to think that randomness is a barrier to modeling the quenco.
You were asked again to answer the question - clarifying about an RNG which would go through all possible permutations.
Still more lecturing on PRNGs vs Thermal-noise.
You were asked a third time.  Again no "yes" or "no" just a vague statement about entropy but not answering the clear question: Can we simulate this?
You were asked a fourth time.  Again no "yes" or "no".
I re-phrased the question for the fifth time.  Since you seem to think that discussing Thermal-noise RNG's is important to the outcome. 
First time you say: "Yes"
I crush your argument and now....
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The fact is the RNG or the PRNG would suffice
Now all of a sudden it doesn't matter.

Dude if you danced around the question any harder I'd have to hang up a disco ball.  This isn't anyone putting words in your mouth this is your mouth doing everything but answering the question.  Including going on about something for three or four posts that in the END YOU SAID DIDN'T MATTER. :)
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but what I was pointing to was the simulation of the environment and the acceptance of the RNG or white noise generator as operating similar to a quenco.
So as this was not the question asked.  Is this you admitting you were avoiding answering the question?  Seems like it.

So again, since you claim you're not avoiding the question:

QuoteThe computer can simulate,
Was that so hard?  So the computer can sort like a quenco.  Is the outcome deterministic?  If I put in the same set of values encoded onto the bouncing molecules do I get the same set of outputs?