electrolysys with horizontal plates

[pg46]

Hi Walter-

Interesting experiments you have happening there.
In solid plate setups as you've already demonstrated, you'll get more gas action with the plates in verticle configurations simply because the bubbles can be freed from the plate more easily and rise to the surface. When the plates are horizontal its pretty tough for the bubbles to escape.

Regarding your horizontal solid plates and bubbles only forming on one side of underneath the negative plates - well, thats what they are supposed to do in that particular setup. The side with all the bubbles is facing the positive electrode so all of the action is happening there. If you were to hook a bunch of plates in series(-+-+-+ etc) and the spacing was equal between them, you'd find gas production happening on both sides of the plates, (excepting the 2 outside electrodes on either end where there would be gas happening on only one side)
Keep up the good work.

Best Regards,

[Walter Hofmann]

hi pg46,
what I did wana demonstrate is that the previous shown vid with the horizontal mesh version, what is in material and size identical, there is a explosion of bubbles right from the start and it generates way more gass then any solid version.
with the series plates in vertical I have to disagree I'f ben there and the results was far less gass then with the horizontal mesh version. Also the mesh version did not bring up any colored slime like with all the other versions. What matters extremly is the difference in size compared to the gass output where the horizontal mesh version needs only about 33% of the size for more gass output.
In all my experiements I could not find that the bubbles was build on both sides the positive side brought allways just a few bubbles I believe thats the oxigen part what builds there.
All this experiements was done to find out the version with the highest output and I have to say now itis the horizontal mesh version where I wana go with and will put more mesh plates now ( it was just three before) in one cell to see if and how much higher the output would be.
greetings
walt

[pg46]

Hey There Walter-

Your working with the screen for plates idea surely has some merit as design and materials of the plates is very very important.
This fellow over here at the site below has clearly demonstrated this with his experiments-
http://www.stifflerscientific.com/electrodes.html

You may gain some considerable insights from following some of what the fellows over at www.oupower.com are doing as there are some electrolysis cell master builders that contribute to that forum.

I'll send you a pm

All the best,

[wizkycho]

I think I can explain this promising results that Walter Hoffman showed us.

Why visible bubbles are created only at the top of vertical setup and why the production is smaller
when compared with horizontal setup ?

To produce efficient electrolysis it is a must to make +- plates as close as they can be (still not touching each other) in order to lower down resistance of the whole unit at the first place. Since plates must be very close
and if positioned vertical - invisible small bubbles are created on every point of the reaction surface but bubbles
created at very bottom are free to go from left to right plate (which are very close) and have much chance
for recombination back into water cause they have source of free electrons and positively charged ions. (H2O molecule is much stable than H2 and O2).

If horizontal setup is used bubbles (which can only go up) can only ONCE hit (if even that) electrod of opposed polarity and recombine into water or not.

So the path of releasing gas in horizontal setup is much much shorter and has only one homopolar exit making
recombination into water again rarely occuring.

To make horizontal more efficient (more dense) by design I propose this setup (on pic attached).
(even better if made slightly but only slightly concave - to U shaped)

Water in vertical setup comes dirty because of long path of reaction and bipolar environment cause inpurities in water (minerals and etc.) to make large molecules (visible as green redish slime). Cause of that water at the bottom of vertical cell becomes less ocupied with minerals ions which in return lowers conductivity of water... (when reaction is stoped after some long period of inactiviti of the cell some of this molecules are again melted in water and water gets little clearer.)
In horizontal setup complex large molecules can not be created cause reaction path is short and homopolar leaving water visualy clean and at the same state of conduction which is good property for prolonged work of the device and mesh plates uniformly distributes current through the whole its lenght.

As heating is concerned, folks !

Heating in electrolysis occures much only if the density of the current is high. density of the curent is high
if current is high and diamter or thickness is low. So more material (stainless steel) less heat for same current.

best regards !

Igor Knitel

Let's make it horizontal then. Even with common ss plates (not mesh type) results must be better.
If using common ss plates thin plastic sheet is left out.

[hartiberlin]

Here  is another movie from Walter.